Okay. I’m dumbfounded. A friend sent me this last week, because apparently a “PETA Kills Animals” website is advertising on a few of the same blogs as we are.
Is nothing sacred?
Granted, with all the celebrity retards People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) engages to hide the ball, month after month, I assumed there was some great secret behind the group. Like an X-Files episode gone bad, or a secret back-room sex cult.
But PETA Kills Animals? Really?
Here’s what the “PETA Kills Animals” website claims: PETA has killed 17,400 dogs and cats in the past nine years, and has a giant walk-in freezer to hide the bodies until a crematory service picks them up every month. In some cases, PETA employees have been convicted of tossing puppy and kitten bodies into trash dumpsters.
This just might be the biggest public hypocrisy story ever. You may as well tell me that Sean Penn is a raging capitalist, or that Alberto Gonzales carries an ACLU membership card.
I’m stunned.
Ordinarily, I would call “BS” on this whole thing. But they have legal documents. I did the math. It adds up to 17,400 dogs and cats.
Before any of you get on my case about pet overpopulation and the virtues of Bob Barker’s “spay/neuter” program, here’s my basic problem: PETA collects abo0ut $31 million every year. That’s around $2.6 million a month. Or $615,000 every week. With that kind of money, don’t you think they should be finding the odd stray kitten a home, instead of devoting so much of their income to hassling old ladies in fur coats? In 2006, PETA only adopted out 12 animals. The whole year.
I’m also not buying the line that every one of the pets PETA takes in is too sick or pathetic to adopt out. My sister once adopted a pit bull that was near death, and a white cat that was completely lost as a stray. It can be done.
If PETA’s not interested in this, then … WTF?
I’m just saying.
PETA’s ultimate goal is “total animal liberation’ this means, no animals used for fur, food, amusement (ie zoos) or companion animals (ie your pet), and not even a seeing eye dog to help the blind. I’ve seen this site before, it’s somewhat old news. My interpretation of the whole thing is that because they don’t even want you or I to have a pet, they would rather ‘end their suffering’ by putting them down. That’s why i don’t donate cash to their cause. i would rather give it to my local SPCA.
J
I’m surprised this is news to anyone. Penn & Teller had a show on Showtime called “Bullshit”. They did a whole episode on this U.S. based terrorist organization. And that was about a year and a half ago. This episode is floating around the ‘net. I think you can still find it on Google Video. It’s worth watching if you’re on the fence about these lunatics.
I had a general sense that PETA was run by some odd misanthropes. But I really didn’t know they were running a puppy execution chamber in Norfolk. Yikes!
And here’s an update: The group behind the “PETA Kills Animals” website is asking the state of Virginia to “officially reclassify People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) as a slaughterhouse.”
Brilliant.
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21
Where I learned all I needed to know about PeTA and ALF, no not the sitcom star from the 80s, the Animal Liberation Front.
I followed this story last year, when the two people accused of slaughtering all of those animals were on trial and finally sentenced, and this is one of the reasons I no longer support PETA. The other reason I became disillusioned with PETA is PETA2, their attempt to reach out to the “younger crowd”, high school and college students. Instead of presenting facts and stories with different views in order for the person to make an informed decision, they use rude language and scare tactics to convince impressionable young children to do their bidding.
PETA started out as a good idea, but it morphed into a horrible practice. If you really want to make a difference, go to your local SPCA.
Yeah, the PETArds are against the concept of owning pets. They want all domesticated animals to go extinct. Not really sure what that’s all about, but then who cares what a bunch of lunatics think?
Wow..i’m actually lost for words. From what y’all are saying PETA really are evil, if one can put it that way. I’d been loyal to the for about 2 years..since i became a vegaterian, but now i feel they’ve done us wrong. It’s true that they have PETA2, fro younger people and thats where i got stuck. My brother always tells me they’re trash and not to listen to them…maybe he is right. And all of yoo have helped me decide not to trust them any more. Thanks guys!
xx
If thats true about PETA, that they want no domestic animals, why is Pam a spokesperson? I’m pretty sure she has like 2 dogs or whatever… but then again i’m anti peta anyways
Okay, if you actually take the time to look at this website thoroughly, you’ll notice it’s being run by some sort of ultra-conservative lobby group. Apparently, the Centre for Consumer Freedom (who funds the website claiming PETA kills animals) also claims that Trans-Fats are secretly good for you, and all those thousands of nutritionists and scientists who have claimed otherwise are full of crap. As well, apparently obesity will not be one of the biggest drains on the American health care system in the next several decades….even though countless worldwide studies seem to suggest it will be a bigger killer than cancer. The CCF also denies the human link to global warming, the negative health effects of milk, and other very notable pro-corporate initiatives. Interestingly, these also tie into areas where the conservative government’s funding is not focused (ie. environment, health care, etc.), and would prefer to spend on military and big business corporate initiatives. Or conversely, areas which are greatly linked to corporate and governmental areas of interest (meat/dairy industry), something that runs a huge loss if threatened by consumer doubt.
PLEASE, for the love of God, look into these websites more thoroughly before you put up biased claims about organisations that are actually making a positive difference!!!! The CCF clearly has big-business in mind when it takes aim at PETA, since dairy farmers, meat producers, and all of those they supply (specifically fast food chains) have a huge loss to face when the public is exposed to messgaes about the negative effects of dairy and meat on the human diet (of which PETA is one of the few well known organisations making this info known). Of course they don’t want the public to think obesity is a huge health problem! They WANT you to keep eating Macdonalds mindlessly! To hell with health. And more profit for them. And the effects of transporting all of this cattle, and the massive amount of toxic methane released into the atmosphere from over-producing them??? Pshhhh. Ain’t no thing. Global warming? No way, man. It’s just something the liberals made up to freak you out. And hey, to keep this information down means we keep making huge profits. Win-win, right?
This is all info which is damaging to the corporations which profit from the public’s ignorance. And when true fact infiltrates our little lives (through organisations such as PETA), these lobby groups (like the CCF, who claim to have consumer interests in mind) will do anything, even slander good names, in order to keep their profits up and our level of awareness down. It’s f*cking ridiculous.
Kinda like the refrain “the terrorists hate our freedom”. Complete bullsh*t. But pretty much everyone swallows it.
PS- And oh yeah, those documents are incredibly easy to forge. Ask anyone with a pen, some paper, and Photoshop.
A few observations.
(1) There’s no way those are forgeries. The first couple are printouts from a government website. (Click here for the 2006 report, then click here for the 2005 report, and click here for the 2004 report). They appear to be on the level.
(2) I looked both PETA and CCF up on the Guidestar website (a very cool resource, by the way). PETA has about 7 times the money of the other group. I’m guessing that PETA could afford 7-times-more-expensive lawyers. If the PETA Kills Animals website were in the least bit libelous, don’t you think PETA would have sued them (successfully) by now?
(3) Personally, I don’t care where good research information comes from. The right question to ask isn’t “what’s in is for them?” — but “is it accurate?”
(4) A few weeks ago I e-mailed CCF and asked if they would tell me where the documents and photos om the website came from. Here’s the (unedited) reply that arrived the next day.
Many of you are completely misinterpreting what PETA’s goals are. Instead of continuing this senseless bander of speculation and misinformation I suggest you go to the PETA website and read what they actually have to say about things like, animal domestication in the long term. It is this kind of ignorant hysteria that marginalizes groups like PETA. I am by no means a hard core PETA supporter but I do believe in accurate information.
peta (people for the ethical treatment of animals)is the policical arm of the animal liberation front and the earth first movement, both known terrorist groups. if you want to know where the money goes, it goes to support the above named groups, and various policical action committees dedicated to the pru pose of changing this country, from a nation of free people with rights protected by the constitution, to an autocracy, where the people are no more than so many digits to be mannipulated,or erased, at the will of their social betters.
For all those who are skeptical about PETA’s killing animals (especially since most of the information comes through an ultra-conservative group that might have ulterior motives), research the topic. CNN’s Rick Sanchez interviewed PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk and asked whether the public would be surprised at just how many animals PETA “euthanizes.” Newkirk answered affirmatively. Also, you could verify the information by hooking a PETA intern up to a reliable lie detector. Great deceit involved here.
i think its high time fringe groups like peta and over-the-top right to lifers be brought back into the realm of sanity. to have an informed opinion and feel strongly about it is one thing. to terrorize and malign other individuals in the name of promoting or protecting one’s belief is totally another. if so many animals are being used for fur coats (which NOT everyone can afford so i cant see how such could be the case) that the environmental impact to the earth is challenged, i can understand and even endorse peta and similar efforts. otherwise, the group presents as a radical collective of (people) haters. where do animal rights begin and human rights leave off? do peta members eat eggs? what about steak? do they wear leather boots? how about cashmere sweaters? its all so ridiculous. i look forward to the day when such energy might be put to use defeating child abuse and world hunger and poverty and government corruption…instead of zealously pursuing the outing of those among us who are able or desirous to sport a fur.
To be fair, I doubt that any PETA employee would eat steak or eggs, wear fur or leather, or go to the zoo or circus. My limited sense of the movement is that these people are extreme, yet pretty consistent. But I wonder what happens when one of them is in a car accident and requires a surgery that was tested on animals? And what do they do when it comes to prescription drugs, pretty much all of which are required by law to be animal-approved before people try them?
actually, peta has nothing to do with the animal liberation front. sorry.
It’s a FACT PETA has engaged in the killing of animals. You have to understand PETA is NOT an animal welfare organization; it believes in the twisted notion of “animal rights.” They, like the HSUS and others of their ilk that animals are NOT to be domesticated for human use; it is akin to “slavery.”
So PETA’s killing of animals that could have been adopted out is entirely consistent with its twisted philosophical position.
That website is run by the government. This is not just a conspuiracy theory,. It’s part of Operation Backfire (http://www.nlg.org/news/statements/greenscare2006.htm). It’s meant to undermine the animal rights movement, just like they undermined the Black Panthers and the animal rights movement. The government has historically undermined political movements since the time of the abolitionists. They use the prejudice of the people to cultivate fear of the dissenters. How do you think they got away withy the Iraq war and the war of terror? It’s clear to anyone not blinded by government manufactured “patriotism” that you can’t fight terrorism with bombs.
Twisted? What the…? It’s TWISTED to oppose slavery? I see already that it’d be pointless to debate wiuth you about it. You’re no different from the slave owners of the plantations. You’re prejudice is unreasoned, and you can’t reason a person out of something they didn’t reason themselves into. You’ve been indoctrinated since birth, like KKK members, to hate, and you can’t even see it. We just want all life to be free, yet you call us terrorists. YOU’RE the ones enslaving and killing BILLIONS upon BILLIONS annually! Watch Link TV (DirecTV 375), and get some unfiltered media. Pull the wool from over your eyes.
Orwell is rolling is his grave…until every cage is empty.
PETA goes about their aims in much the same way as the Bush administration goes about enforcing “No Child Left Behind.” Kids must do better in school, or their schools will get no money. Schools force students with bad grades to drop out, thus making it appear as though the school is doing better, when all that has really happened is that some poor kid was condemned to a lifetime of working at McDonald’s. PETA claims to offer animals for adoption (and just how does that fit in with their whole “no domestication” policy?), but when those animals take too long to find owners, they kill them, just like most regular animal shelters. I’m a liberal, but I don’t care if it IS a conservative organization who is telling the world about this. It’s all true, there is plenty of proof for it, and any real animal lover should see PETA for the frauds they are.
link tv is not unfiltered, it just has British agenda instead of American. also comparing caring for animals who wouldn’t be able to care for themselves in the wild to SLAVERY and kkk is completely ridicilous and heinous. it just shows how close minded you, Eric Blaire, are. xx
To k:
PeTA has ADMITTED to their links with ALF. Heck, Newkirk published a delighted admission in her book. Be proud!
To Eric Blaire:
All media is biased to some degree or other. The National Lawyer’s Guild is most certainly biased, and even if I agree with their bias, it’s dishonest not to admit it exists. You have your perspective, certainly, but I notice you’re not actually denying any of the charges made.
Even if there is a government conspiracy fueled by violent action on the part of militant animal rights groups out to discredit those groups, that’s not proof that they’re manufacturing evidence. Lies can be fought. You aren’t providing proof to your point of view, you’re just shouting about them being wrong. Convince us.
@ The Oversneer:
FYI..Ingrid Newkirk, apparently, is an insulin dependent diabetic, so I guess that answers your question regarding whether they would would use life saving animal tested ( or in the case of insulin, animal manufactured) medicines and/or surgeries.
I used to believe in PETA but in the last 10 years or so the things that have come to light regarding PETA and their practices have been cringe inducing rather than awe inspiring.
Insulin is very rarely animal-manufactured any more. But yes, it will have been animal tested and all that jazz.
PETA certainly does “wrong”, meaning morally reprehensible acts, just like any large corporation that has an agenda. There is also the human factor, namely individuals that may or may not choose to react ethically in their professional and/or personal activities, including those that run centers for PETA.
However, in the overall scheme of this debate, is it inherently wrong to want to stop the abuse and suffering of other sentient, feeling, living beings that share our planet? I believe not. This is the thought behind PETA, and vegan mind-frames : stop causing needless suffering or abuse, choose the way of non-violence, of not harming.
Of course, this does not exclude using medications that are vital to your health, even if they have been tested on animals. It does mean that animal testing is an outdated, not overly reliable practice, as animal physiology is not a reliable basis for human exploitation. There are also issues concerning humane treatment of animals in drug tests.
This does not exclude eating foods you enjoy however it does ask you to questions HOW those foods are produced? It poses the question of how man - one of the only creatures on this planet that supposedly has access to abstract thought - is able to accept sub-humane conditions & treatment of animals that are raised in captivity solely to feed humans? There is overwhelming evidence concerning the unethical treatment of animals; evidence stemming from non-sectarian, non-vegan, non-PETA sources, that attest to these facts.
It doesn’t mean wasting something made from leather because overnight you have decided to become vegan…it means posing questions concerning your proper stance about animals and their treatment in our modern, industrial world…and making choices from there. Most vegans and/or PETA supporters would be thrilled to see meat-eaters question the food industry concerning animal treatment and meat preparations. If you are a meat-eater, curiosity would be a good thing, to know what you’re eating and to be proactive concerning your health.
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In this debate, it would be more beneficial to ask oneself is if it is acceptable to cause pain to a living creature that will feel and remember that pain? Think about it and you will see where these questions lead you to in your own personal garden. Many people have done this and they decided to change their lifestyle. There are many options available if one should choose a lifestyle devoid of animal products.
However, be aware that animal products are everywhere, as most vegans ARE aware, including the PETA “fanatics” we’re burning at the stake here, lol! The idea is not to be fanatic, however to live interactively and communicate with compassion toward all living things, including our fellow humans!
These questions in the end bring the debate to a more fruitful focus of moral stance than filling up “who dunnit” websites. People the world over will commit atrocious acts, be it in a prison, a PETA center, a school, family or even in a religious setting, as the many reports of torture and sexual abuse confirm. These are extremes. In our daily life we do not even imagine these atrocities arriving…and yes, there are abuses toward animals perpetuated over and over. These abuses are what drives certain people to make what they consider an ethical choice, namely to not support the organizations that profit and propagate these abuses…
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Let’s meet in our differences and understand each other, no?
Minneapolis:
“is it inherently wrong to want to stop the abuse and suffering of other sentient, feeling, living beings that share our planet?”
So, let’s end the suffering and detonate atomic weapons simultaneously wordwide, right? No, the ends do not justify the means. The methods employed by PETA is analogous to killing innocent people to end their suffering… and when their spokespeople promote violence and where animal products, they don’t do too good of job convincing people of their sincerity or sanity.
Anyone for protecting the fruits & vegetables??? Lopping the “heads” off lettuce & stabbing tomatoes until they bleed! Can it be proven that these creatures of “God” don’t feel pain?
If not, then maybe we as rational human beings who are superior should forgo digesting or abusing them. How dare we pen them up in rows or gardens they should go free into the wild.
When the wackos stop eating animals, fruits & vegetables I will end any consumption of animal flesh, until them… medium please.
By the way I ask any PETA advocate (check out People Eating Tasty Animals) would you trade the life of your child for a puppy?
In a fit of irony, PETA is vehemently opposed to the no-kill movement employed by some animal shelters, including the one I volunteered for. After comparing the conditions of my shelter with PETA’s descriptions, I have reason to believe that strawmen are used in their arguments.
Even then, sheltered pets have a 40%-50% chance of survival nationally, taking no-kill out of the picture, better than PETA’s 15% (or 3%, counting 2006 alone.)
To Mr. Blaire,
You can’t fight terrorism with bombs? Really? What would you do, fight them with love? Love them soooooo much that they’ll just change their bad ways forever and love us right back? And how is it better for a dog to be dead than part of a home? Life is a precious gift. Millions of animals would not have been born if not for human ownership. Do they not deserve to live? How do you know that my dog isn’t happy? Do you know her? Does she call you at home? And by the way, it’s none of your business anyway, because this is still America. You just can’t stand it, can you?
Killing animals to save them from suffering?
Are they sick with an incurable and painful disease? Because that may be the only way I could justify that. OR perhaps PETA’s ’shelters’ have such awful conditions that perhaps the animals ARE suffering, so they end their life to help them? Not sure.
The one thing I do know is, that MY animals are happy animals. Happier than they would be running free in the wild. Why? They are domesticated animals who love and LONG FOR human interaction.
I let my dog outside to ‘do his duties’ and AS SOON AS HE IS DONE…he is crying at the door to come back in. What does he do when I let him in? Go hide in a corner in agony and misery? NO. He comes and climbs onto my lap if I am sitting on the couch, or gets as close as he possibly can to me. He follows me wherever I go. If I leave the house, he is waiting for me at the door, excited to see me. He LOVES me and he LOVES the life he leads. He is not ’suffering’.
Most dogs/cats in these PETA ’shelters’ are the same. The just want to be loved and cared for. It is not the wild and a free life they need necessarily, although it is up to the owner to ensure these animals are in no way mistreated, caged constantly, or not fed or watered enough. Perhaps humans should have to apply for the right to own an animal, to ensure they are capable and loving parents to it, but the same could be said for the right to have a child. There are lots of unfit parents out there, but we don’t go take their kids away and kill them to end their suffering. I’m not saying PETA confiscates animals with homes, but even homeless animals would be happy if placed in a loving home. People hold the ability to abuse animals. It is sad, but that doesn’t mean that all pets are miserable. SO MANY lead happy and fulfilled lives because they are LOVED, not because they are FREE FROM SLAVERY. I don’t recall the last time my dog was FORCED to do anything at all to earn my love, food, shelter, or water.
I LOVE animals. I’m also a meat eater though. I do not hunt because I do not eat ‘wild game’. I think it is wrong for me to kill an animal for no reason. I do believe that corporations which raise/kill/sell animals for public consumption/use should be humane to the animals while in their care, while they raise them and in the manner in which they are killed. I know this doesn’t always happen, but perhaps that is what we should concentrate on then, and not protesting against leather, fur coats, fried chicken franchises, etc… Put up more of a stink for KFC to treat chickens more humanely then, and be taken seriously, instead of appearing psychotic by claiming that having pets is ’slavery’.
PETA is crap if they kill animals to ’save them’/'end their suffering from slavery’, and while this merely my opinion, I believe it 210%.
To any and all of you out there who truly believe all the crap PETA has been feeding you- domesticated animals could not EVER survive in the wild. Yes, there are feral cats and dogs, and thier average lifespan is less than TWO YEARS. Why? Because they succumb to disease, get picked off by TRULY wild animals, get hit by cars, and shot by farmers for killing thier livestock. A good portion of the reported “wolf” attacks on livestock are actually feral dogs.Of course, once a wolf gets blamed, the hunt is on to kill them, instead of looking at the real problem.
Also, if you look up the statistics on how long animals live in captivity compared to in the wild, you will find that zoo animals by FAR outlive thier wild counterparts. And I’m not saying that all animals should be in zoos, but our zoo systems have pretty good track records with breeding programs to save endangered species, too. An awful lot of animals would be completely extinct if not for the zoos that have figured out better ways to take care of them- even in the wild.
Peta has been behind all of the individual city bans on specific breeds of dogs, which they’ve labeled as “inherently dangerous”, such as pit bulls. IN those cities, if you possess a pit bull, it can be taken from you, and destroyed, even if it’s the gentlest animal in the world- just because PETA managed to get the ban in place. They’re working, breed by breed, to get these laws passed all over the US.Right now, they’re concentrating on reptiles- trying to get snakes banned as pets.
I’m a pet owner. I have snakes. I have ferrets(and yes, ferrets ARE domesticated animals, and have been for a VERY long time). And I have a dog. I also eat meat,and wear leather. And you want to know something? I have the RIGHT to do all of that.I live in a country that is SUPPOSED to be FREE. Groups like PETA have NO place interfering with that. If they want to do something about how slaughterhouses treat the animals they kill- fine. But, don’t come after good, loving, responsible pet owners because you have some kind of warped sense of what “slavery” is. I don’t force my ferrets to clean my house, nor my dog to do laundry. None of my pets is required to do anything other than be what they are. PETA, on the other hand, would have all of them dead- all breeds of domestic dogs, cats, ferrets, etc…would be extinct if they had thier way.
WHy don’t you ask a blind person how they could get along without thier seeing eye dog? How about asking a handicapped kid how well he/she would be able to do if not for thier service animals? Or ask a K-9 cop how much harder thier job would be without those dogs?Some handicapped kids would not even be able to attend school, if not for thier service dogs. And a lot of handicapped adults would have to live in facilities like nursing homes, if not for thiers.Are those dogs lives worth more than the independence they can give a person? I don’t think so, and neither do an awful lot of other sane people.
Eric, you can’t honestly say that animal rights activists want all life to be free. They don’t want humans to be free at all, they don’t even want us to have the same rights as animals.
Also, PETA does not want to set domesticated animals free, they want all domesticated animals to be destroyed, that’s why they do it themselves. It’s so hypocritical of them to show pictures of puppies and kittens on their website to lure pet lovers into donating them money when they actually want all puppies and kittens to die because they hate them and don’t believe they have the right to exist.