Comments on: Vegan Stripclub Owner Treats Women Like Pieces of Meat http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/ The two-faced and famous have something new to worry about. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:55:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Laura http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-2040 Laura Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:23:52 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-2040 Pastafarian You're pretty funny, unfortunately I'm from Toronto and NOT AT ALL a hippie. 1. It is very simple: where the most milk is consumed, the osteoporosis incidence is highest. Compared to other countries, the most milk is consumed in Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and The Netherlands (300 to 400 kg / cap / year), and osteoporosis incidence in these countries has sky rocketed. (25) [http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm] 2. While dairy promotions also include praise for the protein of milk as well, this protein may be more of a problem in osteoporosis than calcium could be a solution. The animal proteins of meat and dairy products cause calcium loss.9 The level of calcium needed in the diet depends greatly on the animal protein intake.10 For many of the high animal protein diets of Americans, it may not be possible to consume enough calcium in the diet to compensate for the amount lost to these high-acid proteins.11 For this reason, Americans have among the highest osteoporosis rates in the world, while their dairy intake is also among the highest. Doubled animal protein causes 50 percent more calcium loss. Yet, when a high protein intake is soy-based, a positive calcium balance can be maintained with only 450 mg of calcium per day.12 [http://www.babyreference.com/MilkingYourBones.htm] Need More..? Pastafarian
You’re pretty funny, unfortunately I’m from Toronto and NOT AT ALL a hippie.

1. It is very simple: where the most milk is consumed, the osteoporosis incidence is highest. Compared to other countries, the most milk is consumed in Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and The Netherlands (300 to 400 kg / cap / year), and osteoporosis incidence in these countries has sky rocketed. (25)
[http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm]

2. While dairy promotions also include praise for the protein of milk as well, this protein may be more of a problem in osteoporosis than calcium could be a solution. The animal proteins of meat and dairy products cause calcium loss.9 The level of calcium needed in the diet depends greatly on the animal protein intake.10 For many of the high animal protein diets of Americans, it may not be possible to consume enough calcium in the diet to compensate for the amount lost to these high-acid proteins.11 For this reason, Americans have among the highest osteoporosis rates in the world, while their dairy intake is also among the highest. Doubled animal protein causes 50 percent more calcium loss. Yet, when a high protein intake is soy-based, a positive calcium balance can be maintained with only 450 mg of calcium per day.12
[http://www.babyreference.com/MilkingYourBones.htm]

Need More..?

]]> By: rushmore http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1976 rushmore Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:36:06 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1976 That's a good point, it's very easy to fire the fascist/nazi/insert name here rather than opening debate when what you're faced with is difference of opinion, I'll bet he thinks they were hairy feminists too, tsk tsk* I have great respect for pastafarian's silicone goodness and for the terrific informed discussion too, I'll be giving him all the best shifts at my sausage house. Rocko makes the assumption that that this job choice prevents further education as though you must choose one or the other? Or that it prevents simultaneous participation in higher education? There's a good few people that dance at night and study by to get a good degrees. If you want to, more power to you. I count a nutritionist with an MSc, a current MSc student in social psychology, an interior designer, a current law student and a woman who has now left dancing to study medicine as people I know that have balanced university with dancing. As it was pointed out to me it pays better then stocking shelves and you can take your midterms off work to revise...full time education without an income is tough and those student debts can stretch into your 30's. xx That’s a good point, it’s very easy to fire the fascist/nazi/insert name here rather than opening debate when what you’re faced with is difference of opinion, I’ll bet he thinks they were hairy feminists too, tsk tsk*

I have great respect for pastafarian’s silicone goodness and for the terrific informed discussion too, I’ll be giving him all the best shifts at my sausage house.

Rocko makes the assumption that that this job choice prevents further education as though you must choose one or the other? Or that it prevents simultaneous participation in higher education?

There’s a good few people that dance at night and study by to get a good degrees. If you want to, more power to you. I count a nutritionist with an MSc, a current MSc student in social psychology, an interior designer, a current law student and a woman who has now left dancing to study medicine as people I know that have balanced university with dancing. As it was pointed out to me it pays better then stocking shelves and you can take your midterms off work to revise…full time education without an income is tough and those student debts can stretch into your 30’s.

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]]> By: Pastafarian http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1973 Pastafarian Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:25:32 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1973 Really. 100-120 grand and four years of schooling for maybe 45,000 a year, and all the cubical walls you can stare at? Where's my thong again? Really. 100-120 grand and four years of schooling for maybe 45,000 a year, and all the cubical walls you can stare at? Where’s my thong again?

]]> By: Rocko http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1971 Rocko Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:10:24 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1971 I was going to comment but instead I'll just encourage my daughter to become a strip-um-dancer. Screw college, who wants a bachelor's degree and the student loans you have to pay back? I was going to comment but instead I’ll just encourage my daughter to become a strip-um-dancer. Screw college, who wants a bachelor’s degree and the student loans you have to pay back?

]]> By: Corey http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1969 Corey Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:02:58 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1969 The point is that the women have decided that dancing at a strip club is the best of their available options. If they had an alternative that they preferred, they'd do that instead. So we can't blame the club owner for giving them the option to strip, assuming that he's not enslaving them or something, which there doesn't seem to be any evidence of. The point is that the women have decided that dancing at a strip club is the best of their available options. If they had an alternative that they preferred, they’d do that instead. So we can’t blame the club owner for giving them the option to strip, assuming that he’s not enslaving them or something, which there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of.

]]> By: Pastafarian http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1968 Pastafarian Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:27:37 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1968 I have to admit to really just realizing this is a vegan, from Oregon, probably a pretty lefty-liberal guy I'm assuming, (does he have dreadlocks, and wear a lot of cargo pants? does he type stuff on message boards with his Apple computer like Bu$Hitler? Impeach Cheney etc., etc.?) calling feminists Nazis. I'm guessing they weren't Nazis when they were speaking truth to power, or when whatever they were doing wasn't directly affecting HIS business ventures. I have to admit to really just realizing this is a vegan, from Oregon, probably a pretty lefty-liberal guy I’m assuming, (does he have dreadlocks, and wear a lot of cargo pants? does he type stuff on message boards with his Apple computer like Bu$Hitler? Impeach Cheney etc., etc.?) calling feminists Nazis. I’m guessing they weren’t Nazis when they were speaking truth to power, or when whatever they were doing wasn’t directly affecting HIS business ventures.

]]> By: Holly Won't http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1966 Holly Won't Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:24:03 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1966 Pasta, thanks for the story. Dancers can make mad bank, I completely believe that. A girlfriend of mine dated a dancer in Key West and while that relationship proved to be a short-lived disaster, it did afford me an inside look at the job. She didn't work at one of the more upscale places. It was an incredibly depressing scene, the patrons as much as the girls. So whenever I think about stripclubs, that's just the one that comes to mind. Rushmore -- that image of silicone testicles? Disturbingly hilarious, and hilariously disturbing. I guess I'm just questioning whether this manager was all that much a fan of liberated ladies in the first place. The way he talked about the women who opposed his idea, calling them Nazis, didn't exactly ingratiate him to me (a self-identified feminist). It's therefore satisfying to me that his little venture didn't work out :) Pasta, thanks for the story. Dancers can make mad bank, I completely believe that. A girlfriend of mine dated a dancer in Key West and while that relationship proved to be a short-lived disaster, it did afford me an inside look at the job. She didn’t work at one of the more upscale places. It was an incredibly depressing scene, the patrons as much as the girls. So whenever I think about stripclubs, that’s just the one that comes to mind.

Rushmore — that image of silicone testicles? Disturbingly hilarious, and hilariously disturbing. I guess I’m just questioning whether this manager was all that much a fan of liberated ladies in the first place. The way he talked about the women who opposed his idea, calling them Nazis, didn’t exactly ingratiate him to me (a self-identified feminist). It’s therefore satisfying to me that his little venture didn’t work out :)

]]> By: Pastafarian http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1964 Pastafarian Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:59:19 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1964 And I'll be right there working it rushmore. And I’ll be right there working it rushmore.

]]> By: Pastafarian http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1958 Pastafarian Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:09:42 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1958 Laura - Starting officially with your post I am going to start asking questions. Here goes. What study has proven dairy hinders calcium intake therefore leading to osteoporosis? I'm sure you can point to it on the web somewhere. And you can't send me to "Filthy Seattle Hippies for Veganism". That would show bias. Just because someone, somewhere said something doesn't mean it's true. And you're right. I never heard of someone dying of a protein deficiency. You got me there. Laura - Starting officially with your post I am going to start asking questions. Here goes.

What study has proven dairy hinders calcium intake therefore leading to osteoporosis?

I’m sure you can point to it on the web somewhere. And you can’t send me to “Filthy Seattle Hippies for Veganism”. That would show bias. Just because someone, somewhere said something doesn’t mean it’s true. And you’re right. I never heard of someone dying of a protein deficiency. You got me there.

]]> By: rushmore http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1955 rushmore Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:27:02 +0000 http://deceiver.com/2008/03/27/vegan-stripclub-owner-treats-women-like-pieces-of-meat/#comment-1955 ahhh I just wrote a response and then my computer deleted it.. It was all wrapped up in the 'is HE selling their bodies or are THEY selling their bodies at that particular establishment?' line of reasoning and what is the relation between it being a male manager and male patrons as opposed to female run with female customers...does it make a difference to our view of the scenario if the roles are reversed or if the women have a female manager? It's a pretty interesting issue partly because if the opinion is that it's ok for women to objectify men and have a good look at their goods but not the other way around then it already implies a disparity between genders. Selling sex in any way shape or form IS by it's very nature going to be the most straightforward means to generate a buck off objectification, but the question of who is doing the selling affects where we as a society draw the morality line, but is the line fixed? (and on the subject of jobs, your right most jobs truly suck and most people would rather get paid a lot of money to do something they enjoy rather than whatever it is they do, dancer or no) Maybe we should instead be opening a chain of clubs where gorgeous halfnaked men in buckskin chaps with silicone testicles serve sausages and spare ribs to female patrons...that's one thing I'd pay to see ;) xx ahhh I just wrote a response and then my computer deleted it..

It was all wrapped up in the ‘is HE selling their bodies or are THEY selling their bodies at that particular establishment?’ line of reasoning and what is the relation between it being a male manager and male patrons as opposed to female run with female customers…does it make a difference to our view of the scenario if the roles are reversed or if the women have a female manager? It’s a pretty interesting issue partly because if the opinion is that it’s ok for women to objectify men and have a good look at their goods but not the other way around then it already implies a disparity between genders. Selling sex in any way shape or form IS by it’s very nature going to be the most straightforward means to generate a buck off objectification, but the question of who is doing the selling affects where we as a society draw the morality line, but is the line fixed?

(and on the subject of jobs, your right most jobs truly suck and most people would rather get paid a lot of money to do something they enjoy rather than whatever it is they do, dancer or no)

Maybe we should instead be opening a chain of clubs where gorgeous halfnaked men in buckskin chaps with silicone testicles serve sausages and spare ribs to female patrons…that’s one thing I’d pay to see ;)

xx

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