I am tired of hearing news readers state that “scientists” (who and where, based on what evidence?) predict the Earth melting by 2050 etc.
Oh, a recent earthquake/flood/hurricane/asteroid is due to “global warming” or “climate change”. Really? Wow! I’d better go back to living in the forests then!

You have to back these claims up with verifiable research.
Scaring people with vague arguments and “opinions” just doesnt cut it.
If a few hundred fluid dynamics experts tell me that we have a serious problem, then I might start believing them, but I’d still want to see their data, equations and computer models.
i’d still pick the results apart and question every piece of data, every assumption and conclusion.

That, my friends, is peer-reviewed science.

But to Gore et al. that makes you a climate change denier, in league with the dark forces of industry, a paid minion of the fat-cats (I wish! I’m but a poor twenty-something student)

No theory is infallible. Criticism is essential to the scientific progress .

It is really disheartening to see that millions of people are so vain, so incapable of handling the guilt of living in the West that they will resort to moral masturbation like “carbon off-setting”, i.e. sacrificing lives and the progress and prosperity of the Third World so that they can still drive their hybrid-SUVs and build big concrete and steel wind-farms that ruin untouched habitats.

By assuming that this planet has and will forever stay in a nice, comfortable, predicatable climate pattern the climate change alarmists bare their arrogance and stupidity for all to see. The climate system is probably the least understood phenomenon on the planet…why do you think weather forecasts are only made/guessed for several days in advance? We don’t really understand how it works!

Anyone who tells you that climate change is happening NOW is perfectly correct…however it has been constantly changing for over 4 billion years, going through very brief periods of relative “stability” before undergoing sometimes radical changes every couple of hundred or thousand years. These transitions are to be expected. Just because we cannot see the bigger picture does not warrant the type of hysteria the media have latched onto and fed the public.
The fact that fossil fuel emissions correlate with some changes in global temperature averages does not imply causality. I could point to the increase in cow populations and subsequent methane emissions, but nobody blames the cow, despite methane having a far greater greenhouse effect than carbon dioxide. Or the correlation with the increase in the number of Jews, or Muslims, or decrease in facial hair leading to increased Caucasian skin reflectance thus causing an escalating greenhouse effect…You could go on and on, with each cause becoming more and more ridiculous but no less implausible. Oh, and don’t forget that big ball of gases in the approximate centre of the solar system…it could be a bigger culprit than we give it credit for. But we understand the Sun fairly poorly too.
Carbon dioxide is just the biggest and thus easiest target. Water vapour and methane barely get a look in! They must feel left out!

Far worse things than fossil fuel emissions have happened to the Earth, and life is still here!

When you factor in the dodgy data and analysis that Hansen et al. seem to get away with (also known as “fraud”) and the numerous other factors that we know of (and those we don’t) the overblown emphasis on CO2 becomes obvious.
Hansen seems to have a reputation for this sort of thing…he presents his findings to great acclaim and induces panic worldwide, before someone looks at his (and others) work in detail and points out various errors.
Then he will reply with a glib “Oh, well that doesnt make any difference to our overall global results…”, and dismiss the criticism.

Yeah, and my thumbs have no impact on my everyday life.

Things we can do now, cheaply are dismissed…using nuclear fuels, or even planting more trees are rejected by the Green movement because undoing 300 years of industrial development is obviously more in line with their agenda.

Unfortunately, science IS a business, and often the talent goes where the money is. Presently, ignorant decisions are being made by media-dependent populist politicians, thus putting the CO2/global warming/climate change issue before poverty, starvation, and disease…problems that deserve our immediate attention.

I attended an atmospheric science conference last year. The things they could say with near-dead certainty of today weren’t that extreme, but the fear behind their eyes was palpable.

We need to cap and then reduce the use of fossil fuels immediately. No exceptions, anywhere. It has to be global, and it has to be fast.

It is painfully clear which side you ah, lean. Did you actually LISTEN to O’Reilly’s comments when Gore was up for the Oscar? He didn’t care if Gore got an Oscar or not, didn’t really comment on ‘global warming’ but rather stated that if all this ‘globale warming/climate change’ made people more aware about pollution and the like, then it was ok by him. Try listening next time and not just disregarding the information because the speaker does not follow your liberal religion.

(Moreover, I noticed Gore prefaced that particular shot by saying something like: “If one were to fly in a helicopter.” Using the “IF” statement, imho, takes away any possible hope of debunking his work based on this his particular clip.)

He used a fake, computer generated clip. Why not use actual footage? Is it not as pretty? Was the ice not quite melted enough? He had several ‘facts’ incorrect in his ah, ‘film’. The guy made the film because he doesn’t want to be remember as the ‘guy who lost to Bush by this much’. Now his a an Oscar and Peace Prize for this piece of nonsense? Please, give me a break. You have to ask yourself just how rich did he get off of this? How rich is getting off of the whole scam? PLENTY; don’t buy into the ’sky is falling’ theory just because some fat ex-pol says so. That’s what he’s got all his Hollywood types for.

(It’s going to take Florida going underwater for all of the dumb***es in here to admit they were wrong,)

When Florida is under water I will gladly admit to my mistakes about this whole thing. Give me a call when that happens, ‘k? Should I hold my breath as to not further pollute the earth with my C02?

(The enviro-NIMBY’s prevention of increasing OUR oil production is another. Who pays the price? The great unwashed masses are now spending a substantial percentage of thier paycheck on day to day survival thanks to the ignorant feel-good policies of the ivory-tower policy makers.

Sensible oil production, with the US Gov’t leasing lands and putting the profits to benifit the Citizens would not only benifit the our Country’s owners (that is us, for those who did not take American Civics) but would be more environmentaly responsible than shipping it across thousands of miles of oceans. It may even restore sanity to the prices at the pumps.

To call for energy independance out of one side of your mouth and condeming in-house oil production while awaiting some miricle alternitive-energy source is hypocritical.)

Absolutley correct.

(to cows farting)

Let’s just cork the cows!

(you have to take in consideration the life style that humans have right now is effecting the earth and our bodies.)

I agree with this. People ARE polluting the earth, which is bad. Big corporations feed this waste by continually offering ‘multi-packaged’ items; ‘disposable’ items; ‘hummers’ and the like; by ignoring protocols and just paying the fines when caught polluting; etc, etc, etc. Global warming or climate change (notice how the ‘C02/carbon footprint’ lingo has slowly faded away?) whatever its called today is a bunch of alarmists making a buck on people’s fear and ignorance. However, man has polluted the earth since the beginning and it has continually gotten worse. If all this rah-rah cleans the earth up, then its fine by me. But my guess is that this will all fall out of favor just as soon as the climate ’stabilizes’ and some other crises takes its place. This whole topic was big news some 30 years ago. We were all going to melt from the increase in temps and the like. Whats old is new again. Everything is cyclical, including the weather.

There is climate change. It’s been happening ever since there was a climate. 800 years ago there were farms on the south shore of Greenland and houses in Scotland and Holland were built without chimneys. Two hundred years later the Zuider Zee (same area) would freeze over solid. Salt water doesn’t freeze until well below 32 degrees. Several thousand years ago there was a chunk of ice sitting where the Great Lakes are now about a mile thick. All of the man-made carbon dioxide adds up to about 1% of the natural level present. As a side note, when farmers pump carbon dioxide into real greenhouses, plant growth increases and CO2 levels drop below normal. Why would that not happen in the real world? And how do you know it isn’t happening?

Despite all the claims of proof by the Gore crowd, I have seen no reproducible experiments that show cause and effect. The actual mechanism is supposed to be a change in the Earth’s albedo, the amount of energy reflected and reradiated into space. The jump in carbon dioxide is supposedly increasing the absorption of infrared light, causing warming. The problem is, the biggest effect on albedo is the amount of global clouds at any given time, and their location. Until you can account for any changes in that factor, you cannot prove if the IR absorption has increased. Small problem, there aren’t enough weather satellites to watch a serious fraction of the globe’s surface at the same time, so we don’t know how much cloud cover there is.

The amazing thing to me is how easy it is to sell Gore’s nonsense to some people.

The enviro-NIMBY’s prevention of increasing OUR oil production is another. Who pays the price? The great unwashed masses are now spending a substantial percentage of thier paycheck on day to day survival thanks to the ignorant feel-good policies of the ivory-tower policy makers.

Sensible oil production, with the US Gov’t leasing lands and putting the profits to benifit the Citizens would not only benifit the our Country’s owners (that is us, for those who did not take American Civics) but would be more environmentaly responsible than shipping it across thousands of miles of oceans. It may even restore sanity to the prices at the pumps.

To call for energy independance out of one side of your mouth and condeming in-house oil production while awaiting some miricle alternitive-energy source is hypocritical.

We need to stop the panicing and start thinking logicaly.

Still theres no denying what were doing now is not effecting the earth.

Well said.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/04/nasa_measures_global_temperatu.html

http://www.junkscience.com/

You gotta actually read the articles. You can’t just dismiss it because it questions what is, essentially, your religion. I can cut, and paste them here all day long. This is basically from NASA. So you can’t blame the big oil boogie man. The other is just a good place to start.

The Earth might be getting warmer. But it’s not because of people. You’re wrong.

Global warming is real. It’s going to take Florida going underwater for all of the dumb***es in here to admit they were wrong, but it’ll happen. God knows Bushie isn’t doing much.. He’s only just recently admitted to Global warming being real at all.