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23
Jul
08

Sherri Shepard Should Learn the Words ‘Off the Record’

Sherri Shepard, one of the harpies on The View, had a field day during her interview with Precious Times, a magazine for black Christian women.

She talked about her wild lifestyle before converting to Christianity:

“I was in a very abusive relations. I was sleeping with a lot of guys and had more abortions that I would like to count. I have very low self esteem and just wanted to die.”

Then she found Jeebus, who qualified her to say this:

“Oh, sometimes I say, ‘Lord, Juanita Bynum or Joyce Myers would be so good at this table. They could lay hands on Barbara Walters and get her saved. I ask the Lord ‘Why am I here?’ I have to trust God when he says ‘Because I said so.’”

She… wants to exorcise Barbara Walters? AKA her Jewish/agnostic boss?

I know you can’t fire someone for being Christian, but what about when they call you the Devil in print?

(Sherri is pictured here with the Chippendales in Vegas last month. You can tell they’re religious because that one guy has a cross tat. Hell, maybe he could help even me find god!)

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47 Responses to “Sherri Shepard Should Learn the Words ‘Off the Record’”


  1. 1 k. Jul 23rd, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    had more abortions that I would like to count.

    I don’t think she needed to find Jesus so much as a box of condoms.

  2. 2 Simon Scowl Jul 23rd, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Never let it be said that Sherri Shepherd hasn’t done anything good for the planet.

  3. 3 Pastafarian Jul 23rd, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    On the plus side at least it kept her from breeding.

  4. 4 Rocko Jul 23rd, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Wait, the quotes are authentic? Is that how she talks? I mean Precious Times couldn’t clean that up a bit? Cripes.

  5. 5 Holly Won't Jul 23rd, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    I know. Her grammar makes me sic.

  6. 6 Pastafarian Jul 23rd, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Her grammar? That’s the least of her problems. She’s not even sure the world isn’t flat. I mean for real. In 2008.

  7. 7 Chronic Malanga Jul 23rd, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Wow, I’m an atheist and I’ve never had an abortion. Not to be judgemental here, because I think a woman’s body is her own and she can do what she wants with it, but did she have to go all TMI with the countless abortions bit? Using abortion as birth control, even society is better off for her not procreating, is just disgusting to me. But I am not going to go further with that. This isn’t the time or place for that sort of debate.

    I’m sure that Baba Walters doesn’t need to be saved, especially when this self righteous scag is behind it.

  8. 8 jlynn Jul 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I think she has a kid, doesn’t she?

  9. 9 Toubrouk Jul 23rd, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    I just love the sight of moronic Theists believing they hold a moral high-ground because of their imaginary friend. I have my own prayer:

    “Oh Lord, please save me from your followers!”

  10. 10 Zorg the Defender Jul 23rd, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Baba certainly does need to be saved. She needs to be saved from the emarassment of being on the same show as this wack-job.

  11. 11 llamasrule Jul 23rd, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Actually on _The View_ she said there was more to what she said, they just left part of it off. She said she suffers from a lot of shame and guilt and can’t forgive herself. She changed her life and wants to help others who see their own situations as hopeless or themselves as worthless. I think she should be applauded for turning her life around, just based on what I have seen/heard today (otherwise, never heard of her)

  12. 12 Phoenix Jul 23rd, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    llamasrule- that’s interesting that there was more to it than was quoted, but that sorta makes it seem like she’s saying Baba Wawa sees herself or her life as worthless…which if I was her, I wouldn’t like people saying in magazine interviews. I mean, I doubt Walters really sees her life as that empty and meaningless and it’s gotta suck to have people talking about how they want to save you from it…

  13. 13 Patrick of Atlantis Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Thirty five years since five of the supreme beings divined a right to abortion and I’m still waiting for a happy testimonial.

  14. 14 katie Jul 24th, 2008 at 1:42 am

    why does this woman open her mouth, why?!

  15. 15 Chronic Malanga Jul 24th, 2008 at 3:45 am

    llamasrule… I agree that it’s great she turned her life around, however she felt she needed to, but she’s implying that people who aren’t “saved” are drug addicts with the abortion clinic on speed dial, and that Baba’s own beliefs are somehow less than her own. I see where you are coming from and I’m not necessarily in disagreement, but the self righteousness she displays is the turn off for me. And the TMI. Can’t forget the TMI.

    And again, I think that a woman has a right to do as she wishes with her body, but there’s something icky about losing count of one’s abortions.

  16. 16 llamasrule Jul 24th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    Chronic and Phoenix–she also said that part was said jokingly. Words often come off WAY different in print. I got the idea it’s something they joke around about, like you would with one of your friends who liked, say butter, and you were a Parkay person. (YOu have to go way back for that one!) She called Baba in Paris to make sure they were kosher and Baba just laughed about it. She knew it wasn’t a serious criticism of her or her beliefs.

    These things do tend to get blown out of proportion. Her statements, I mean, not what she did all those years ago. People still live that way today. They either use abortion as birth control or have more kids to get more checks from the guvment then ignore the kids or abuse them or just dump them on someone else. It is pathetic and the “system” encourages it.

    And Chronic, I really shouldn’t go here, BUT I think a woman can do what she wants with her body, but that is someone else’s body getting ripped out of her. It’s a separate person with a separate beating heart, not an unsightly skin rash. Oh damn, now we’re there. BUT, I do think everyone, man and woman, is entitled to his/her belief. Not for me to decide, but I also have my own opinion. What, exactly, is the TMI? (Too early, no coffee, no brain work right)

  17. 17 Baba Yaga Jul 24th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    (No relation to Baba Wawa…)

    Look, I hate The View and I am no fan of Sherri Shepard, either. However, wishing for someone to be “saved” is not the same as saying they are “the Devil” or have the Devil in them or need to be “exorcised”. You are jumping to false conclusions. And naturally, if someone is of a particular religious belief, they are going to believe that’s the truth and will wish for others to find that truth. Otherwise, why the hell would they bother to believe in the first place?

    As far as admitting all her abortions and stuff…yeah, I know, TMI. But perhaps she was trying to show what a lost person she used to be. Many women suffer psychologically from having abortions. Maybe she was trying to be helpful to women in the same situation.

  18. 18 Rocko Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Very punny Holly. I approve!

  19. 19 Chronic Malanga Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    TMI means “too much information” llamasrule. And I totally respect your beliefs on the issue, so it’s nothing I’m going to argue or try to change yours or anyone’s mind on.

    I do remember the Parkay commercials. Oh my! But yeah, bad joke on her part on all counts. And honestly, I think her coming out and saying that is really just damage control at this point. I don’t really think the Baba issue is a big deal, but no one jokes about abortion in an interview, no matter how blase they are about it in general. And if they do, bad joke. Way in bad taste.

  20. 20 Chronic Malanga Jul 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    Baba, I know what you are saying, and it’s not like she is saying that the other Baba is the Devil or somehow evil for not believing in her truth. However, joking or not, when a person in her position comes out and says something like this, it is very telling of that person’s attitude. My parents wish I were still Catholic. It’s taken them a long time to get over the fact that I am an atheist. But even when they were not over it, they never even said anything like this. Now, have a famous person say that about a co-worker for all the world to see, the joke is pretty well lost.

    I have always had issues with the whole idea of people out to “save” each other, though. I grew up in the Bible Belt, and even as a Catholic, I would get a lot of people trying to “save” me. Thing is, as a Catholic, and as an atheist, I always felt it rather rude to convince others that my truth is the right one. To me, it is highly disrespectful because in a roundabout way, it is belittling another’s beliefs. However, with a lot of the Fundamentalist types, you point that out to them and they suddenly get all bent out of shape and claim that you hate Christians and that’s when the brimstone rains down. I know I am rambling, but that’s just how I see it. So, even as a joke,and perhaps one that the other Baba is cool with, but to a lot of people, it’s really bad.

  21. 21 jlynn Jul 24th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    To say you’ve had more abortions than you would like to count could be less than we think. It must be a very difficult decision to make and to some people, two could be more than you’d like to count, hell one could be more than you’d like to count. She didn’t say she lost count.
    Patrick of Atlantis, I’m assuming that’s some anti-abortion comment (if I misunderstood, I apologize). Here’s a happy testimonial for you. Millions of children were saved by not being born to parents that didn’t want them, didn’t want to take care of them, didn’t want to love them or just couldn’t. All of those things that children need. Millions of children were saved from being put into the foster care system where if they were not adopted by two years old, thier chances of ever being adopted are slim.
    I have two beautiful daughters and I myself may not have ever had an abortion. But I’ve never had to be in a place where I felt that was mine and my childs only option. I’ve been blessed to be in a place where at the time of my pregnancies, we could care for our children and most importantly wanted to care for our children. Not everyone has that opportunity.

  22. 22 Phoenix Jul 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    llamasrule- I have to say, if she and Baba are comfortable enough to truly joke about this stuff, that’s kinda awesome. I’ve seen friends who can honestly joke about each other being a heathen and not mean it, and it’s a thing of beauty.

    But it certainly is the kind of thing that…she might not want to joke about during an interview. I guess I’m saying, if Baba isn’t in the room, then maybe she should keep that kinda joke to herself. Mostly because nobody else will realize it’s a joke. And saying it later kinda feels like the whole Pamela Anderson “I was just joking when I called Jessica Simpson a whore” thing. Even if it’s true, it always sounds like really transparent PR damage control. ‘Cause seriously, why would you joke about “saving” someone…when they aren’t there…and you’re in an interview with a Christian magazine? You would seriously hafta know that they aren’t going to think that’s a joke.

    As for the TMI and such…well, it’s interesting that’s she is willing to admit to having had an abortion, since her beliefs surely run against that. So to me, that’s sorta brave almost.

    For those who say they acknowledge that it’s her body but object to abortion- well, you missed the whole “my body, my choice” thing which is the rallying cry of the pro-choice movement. You have your reasons, but you hafta see that you are limiting their rights to their own body.

    Let’s not forget that not all pregnancies are the result of sloppy condom use, etc…rape victims do get pregnant. Telling them they don’t have the right to an abortion because it’s a life…and that they must therefore carry to term an infant they didn’t want, didn’t plan for and were forced into procreation for…if that’s not taking away their right to their own bodies, I don’t know what is. You may have your reasons and justifications, but man, I couldn’t have that conversation with the victim.

  23. 23 llamasrule Jul 24th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    TMI-DUH. Anyway, to clear up, she was not joking about abortion, she felt a lot of remorse and that was what they left out. She was kidding about Baba, though. And as Baba Yaga said, wishing someone to be “saved” is really a very benign thing, not really a judgment call, though it can be if you go all postal with it, like some do. You can wish someone would switch to all recyclable in the belief that their world would be better off for it, and you can try to convince them of it. Some people get very aggravated at any unsolicited advice, others listen politely and ignore it. If someone is very happy as a result of their belief (in anything), they will naturally want to share that. As I said, that’s fine with some, and really disproportionately pisses others off.

    But yeah, CM, sometimes they make you feel bad while they are doing it. Not a good way to win converts to anything.

  24. 24 Scott F. Jul 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    I am not stepping into this firestorm waiting to happen - but I will say one thing. Isn’t it interesting whenever people talk about abortion, the only ‘rights’ they mention are the woman’s? What about the father? If it wasn’t rape, shouldn’t he get a say? And before you throw out that ‘it’s HER body’ crap, what about HIS wallet? If she chooses to keep it and he doesn’t want her to, does he not have to pay child support for 18 or more years?

    My only real problem with abortion is that it represents ‘taxation without representation’ for the fathers involved. If we don’t get a vote about whether the kid is brought to term, I don’t see how you can ethically require them to be financially responsible.

  25. 25 Phoenix Jul 24th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Scott F.- be careful throwing around the equality of Wallet and Body there. They aren’t the same value. If he didn’t want the possibility of a child, he shoulda kept it in his pants. Biology, ya know? Also, what if your argument was reversed- if the father doesn’t want to pay child support and the woman wants the baby, are you saying you’d encourage abortion being *mandatory*

    You get a vote on whether the kid is conceived. That’s why you can be held responsible.

  26. 26 Rocko Jul 24th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Hmm, Scott F., I would say the financial repercussions is something to take into consideration before having sex. I mean sex isn’t an accident. It’s not like he was raped either. Yes, its his wallet but yes, it’s her body. Men and women are different. That’s how it is.

    If I were a woman and I became pregnant, no man (so long as abortion is legal) is going to tell me whether or not I’m going to carry a baby for 9 months and then either give birth or have surgery to produce a new child. He has no say but he does have to pay. Why? It’s half his.

    Being a man, I think the solution is simple. You don’t want to have kids, don’t have sex. Yes I know, not have sex?! But that’s part of committing and adult act, making an adult decision. Outside of that, you’re taking a chance and taking the risk. Rolling the dice, so to speak, so if you come up craps or lucky seven (depending on your point of view), tough, deal with it. Get a straw and suck it up.

    This isn’t ‘taxation without representation’, it’s ’cause and effect’.

  27. 27 flirt Jul 24th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Rocko is my new crush.

  28. 28 Scott F. Jul 24th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Okay… so the argument is ‘if you don’t want kids, don’t have sex’? Hmmm… how come that doesn’t apply to women who want an abortion then? Let’s rephrase that paragraph of yours just a bit.

    “Being a WOman, I think the solution is simple. You don’t want to have kids, don’t have sex. Yes I know, not have sex?! But that’s part of committing and adult act, making an adult decision. Outside of that, you’re taking a chance and taking the risk. Rolling the dice, so to speak, so if you come up craps or lucky seven (depending on your point of view), tough, deal with it. Get a straw and suck it up.”

    So the message is: if you’re a man, you have to man up to your actions - but if you’re a woman, you get a magic Get Out of Jail Free card called abortion? God, on a sight devoted to hypocrites you might wanna back off that argument.

  29. 29 Rocko Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Scott F. only women can have abortions because only women can have babies. So whereas men can run from the responsibility of a child and not have to make any decision regarding the child, even going so far as to say, “It’s not mine,” women do not have that choice or option. They have to make a decision. A or B, Up or Down, Left or Right, Life or Death. So yes, women do “suck it up,” to quote my own paragraph, and in a very short period of time.

    What is hypocritical? It’s hypocritical thinking that men and women are equal on everything when they’re not. And maintaining that train of thought in the face of blatant and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Women have a womb. Men do not. Women have eggs. Men do not. Women give birth. Men do not. What is hypocritical about that?

    But because of the way our species is and our form of reproduction, it takes two. So if she keeps the child and gives birth to the child, the child has a father in a very biological sense because half of what the child is is the father. It is only right and proper (in our society at least) that the father “suck it up” as well.

    Your opinion that abortion is a magic Get Out of Jail Free Card is most telling of what you think an abortion is. For many women it is a very serious and life changing (sometimes traumatizing) decision creating an experience entirely unique to the female of the species.

    I am all for equality and Title IX and equal pay but sex ain’t equal and it never will be. People can run around and claim liberation and talk about birth control all they want but so long as you’re having sex, you’re rolling the dice. And only one gender can give birth. Ultimately, only one gender is 100% sure the child is their genes but both genders are required. If his wallet is so damned important he should be thinking with that instead of his dick. And once that child is free of the womb, and its her choice if it is, that child wants and needs more than his wallet.

    Like I said before, he wasn’t raped either but it’s not his body, he doesn’t get a choice. His choices (<– plural) were made way previous and there are a number of them including (but not limited to) disrobing, fondling, penetrating, ejaculating, these are all decisions, that is where his input (so to speak) ends. She makes the decision regarding her body from that point on.

    Yet, maybe I’m missing something. Are men caught off guard? Did men not know sex could lead to childbirth? Let me guess, she mislead him, said she was on the pill when she wasn’t? Or did she poke holes in his condom? Wait, did she blow him, take him in her mouth and then transfer the contents to her vagina? So he was tricked! Too bleeping bad. If a con man swindles you out of all your money you don’t get to call for a do over.

    Ethically, I don’t see how a man can tell a woman what to do with her body. If you can say when not to give birth then why not when to give birth? Ethically, I don’t see how men can do anything less than at the very least provide financially for their seed regardless of whether they wanted it or not. Ethically, I don’t see how a man can claim to not want his own offspring. There’s no feeling like your father wanting nothing to do with you and having however much he has to pay a month being as far as his relationship with you goes. If you want to argue ethics you might want to back off your argument. There’s nothing ethical about deciding to be a deadbeat.

  30. 30 Patrick of Atlantis Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Jlynn,
    My words were just a bit of sardonic commentary. If you never had an abortion then you are not qualified to give a testimonial about it. You are not qualified to testify for “millions of children” or their parents. Abortion is posed as a matter of choice, but in most cases it’s a matter of changing one’s choice. And most of the women whom I’ve met that made that change of choice, lament it.

  31. 31 Scott F. Jul 25th, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Jesus - You literally could not have repeated the same point in more ways in a single post. Few problems here with your ‘logic’.

    “Too bleeping bad. If a con man swindles you out of all your money you don’t get to call for a do over.”

    - No, but you can get his ass arrested because - get this, the law actually DOES assert that deceiving someone for financial gain is against the law… unless some chick gets pregnant. Then your ass owes her 18 years of child support.

    “Ethically, I don’t see how a man can claim to not want his own offspring.”

    - But ethically, a woman can not want a child, get an abortion, and it’s no different. Good to know.

    “There’s no feeling like your father wanting nothing to do with you and having however much he has to pay a month being as far as his relationship with you goes.”

    - Well, maybe mommy should have taken that into account before going through with it, shouldn’t she? After all, you just spent 9 paragraphs telling me it’s HER decision.

    “So whereas men can run from the responsibility of a child and not have to make any decision regarding the child, even going so far as to say, “It’s not mine,” women do not have that choice or option.”
    - First, ever heard of a DNA test? Courts don’t listen to ‘it’s not mine’ buddy, they make you actually prove it. Again, how is getting an abortion not a woman ‘running from responsibility’? They don’t want to be responsible for their actions (sex) that resulted in a child, so they get an abortion. Just because she has to make a decision, doesn’t mean she’s actually ‘taking responsibility’. Taking responsibility for a pregnancy is raising the child.

    My point was never that men should be able to force women to get abortions - but I want to live in a world of true equality. I find it reprehensible that a child only becomes ‘half mine’ when it’s born. No - it’s either half mine from the start, or it’s her responsibility. Either men should be given a say in the process, or they shouldn’t be held accountable. I couldn’t imagine the pain of having to stand by while someone killed my unborn child, knowing there was nothing I could do about it.

    And back off the lecturing about ethics - I am a husband and father who’s child was completely planned. I have worked my ass off for years to provide for my daughter and my wife. I’ve just had too many friends and family screwed by this double standard to let it go unanswered anymore.

  32. 32 Phoenix Jul 25th, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Scott F.- I think this is where the logic breaks down in both sides of this argument. You want the man to have a say either way in an abortion, because it’s half his. I can kinda see that, honestly. The problem is, she gets a say too, ’cause it’s half hers. Well, then it’s two votes. Who gets to be the tie-breaker?

    This is where this argument has broken down in other conversations- if the man and woman disagree on whether to keep the child, who gets the final call? If it’s the man, the woman has lost control of her body. If it’s the woman, the man isn’t getting equal say.

    Basically- the man and woman can each have equal say, until they disagree. Then…how do you decide who decides? Some people turn to religion for their justification, some to law… My vote goes for the woman to decide, because she’s the one putting up with the physical side of it. She’s the one who’s body is permanently changed by carrying the child. Is it fair? No, but that’s reproduction for ya.

    For the record, much like you, I’ve never birthed a child nor aborted one. But I’m female…and very, very, very careful not to get pregnant. Because I can’t imagining facing this problem in the non-hypothetical.

  33. 33 Phoenix Jul 25th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Oh, and btw- yes, I do apply the if you don’t want kids, don’t do it standard to women, with this clause: a woman knows if she’s doing everything to prevent pregnancy, and can minimize her risk somewhat. But it’s still a risk. A man doesn’t necessarily know all the precautions the woman has taken, so for him to be super sure he either needs to a) know and trust his partner or b) avoid the sex. Not because a woman can just take care of it with an abortion, but just because she knows what the odds are a little better. But if a gal takes all the precautions (or doesn’t) and gets pregnant…well, yeah, she knew that could happen. It’s a possible consequence.

    An abortion isn’t a get out of jail free for a woman- any more than if a woman accidentally gets pregnant and the man doesn’t want it it’s handing HIM a get out of jail free card. An abortion isn’t a quick and easy fix, and no I don’t need to have had one to know that much. If two folks get in on and accidentally get pregnant, they both blew their chance to decide. An abortion isn’t choosing to be pregnant or not, it’s choosing to continue the pregnancy or not. And since the two parties involved in the conception equally aren’t equally involved in the pregnancy…that’s where the decision gets harder.

    The way to avoid pregnancy is easy- don’t have sex. If you do, take precautions but know it’s a risk. The way to avoid loosing your unborn child or having one given to you as a man is easy- know your partner. Does she support abortion as a choice? Does she take every precaution?

    You don’t have to avoid sex, but if you want to avoid having that kind of heart-wrenching decision made without you regarding your unborn child, you gotta know where you stand ahead of time with the girl. And if she’s the type to make a decision you can’t live with…well, don’t sleep with her.

  34. 34 Rocko Jul 25th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Your friends and family weren’t screwed. It’s been this way for a damn long time and it’s not going to change because biologically, it is what it is. It’s half hers and half his from the beginning and legally he can’t tell her what to do with the little life. But if the law changes, then legally my argument will change but not ethically so go see your congressman. And I’ll lecture about ethics because you “don’t see how you can ethically require them to be financially responsible.”

    What do you think? That abortion is a cure all, like removing a band aid, that it’s poof and the child is gone. Or is that how you think that’s how people who have abortions think about abortions? Abortion isn’t an abdication of responsibility. Taking responsibility for pregnancy is deciding what to do about a pregnancy. Women don’t get to “run” from that decision.

  35. 35 Pastafarian Jul 25th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    I gotta hand it to you guys. I could never type that much. I can’t even read it all. You’re like the Siskel & Ebert of Deceiver debating. My attention span is just too sho - Look A BLUE CAR!

  36. 36 llamasrule Jul 25th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Abortion IS an abdication of responsibility. You decide to be responsible for the life you created or you decide to end that life so you don’t have to deal with it. That’s why MOST women get abortions, so they don’t have to deal with it. I really don’t see any room for argument there.

  37. 37 jlynn Jul 25th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Patrick of Atlantis-
    Can I call you Patrick?
    I don’t have to be quailfied in anything to make a statement. I don’t have to be an abused child to know it’s wrong. I don’t have to be a junkie to know they shouldn’t be having children. I don’t have to be a 15 year old girl to know that it must be scary as hell to be pregnant at 15.
    Being a woman and a mother makes me sensitive to the subject. I too know women (and girls) who’ve had abortions. They made the decision they made at the time and I’d imagine thats something that’s hard to live with. But it was the decision that was best for them at the time.

  38. 38 Rocko Jul 26th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    “You decide to be responsible for the life you created or you decide to end that life so you don’t have to deal with it.”

    You’re talking like being responsible for another human being is a equivalent to not killing that human being. There are people who have children who aren’t responsible for them anyway. Becoming pregnant isn’t a responsibility, it’s an action. People are responsible for their actions. Whatever is done as a result of that action is the responsible thing. Whether you like it or not. Responsibility isn’t having a child. Taking care of the that little life is the responsible act. Taking responsibility for that life may mean deciding to end that life. No, I don’t think it’s fair and I don’t agree with the decision because I think every life has a right to live and thrive but life isn’t fair and sometimes people’s rights gets trampled on. And trampled on legally.

    But anyway I’m done with this thread, I feel like I’m arguing with atheists.

  39. 39 Chronic Malanga Jul 26th, 2008 at 4:16 am

    Thanks, Rocko. The resident atheist hasn’t even stepped into the fray until now.

    I hate this debate, but now I feel compelled to jump in. First of all, I am pro-choice with limitations. While I myself highly doubt that I could ever go through with an abortion despite the fact that my husband and I have chosen never to have children and accidents can happen, I don’t know that I could personally do it. This, of course, is coming from a position of good circumstances. I am in a stable relationship, and while we are not rolling in the money, we have the means to raise a child. In other words, while I would never want the responsibility of motherhood, and would not want to give up the lifestyle I have now, I feel that I would have no excuse to have an abortion if ever I got pregnant. We take precautions against the possibility as though we were teenagers unable to handle the possibility.

    Were I 15, alone, and unable to deal with the responsibility of a pregnancy and raising a child, I don’t know what I would do. I have never found myself in that position. But I know someone who has. It was never my place to tell that friend what to do about the predicament, only to support whatever she chose. She chose abortion, and I supported her in that without judgement because I knew that that child would be born into and it wasn’t pretty. It was not an easy choice for her, but I feel it is important and fortunate that she had that choice. Legal or not, women will have abortions, and there is no reason a woman should have to go through a knitting needle abortion in her own bathroom that could kill her if that is what she feels she needs to do.

    When a woman doesn’t learn the lesson the first time, and decides that abortion is a free pass and a form of birth control, I lose respect. She is not doing her body any favors, and it is then that I feel she is taking human life for granted. I don’t believe that most women are like this, and if I did, I would have no faith in humanity. But as a woman, I would never believe that this sort of woman represents the majority.

    I’m not going to touch the argument on the rights of the father. I have a mixed opinion on that which would not serve this post well. However, this is what the resident atheist thinks, and I really don’t feel that it is fair, Rocko, to assume that atheists have no sense of compassion.

  40. 40 llamasrule Jul 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    “Whatever is done as a result of that action is the responsible thing.”

    That is where I disagree with you Rocko. Going back over your posts, you are splitting some mighty fine hairs here and there. And I agree 100% that “every life has a right to live and thrive, but life isn’t fair”. You are correct. In a perfect world we wouldn’t have abortions or murders or tax evaders. Probably not taxes, either, but I see your point. Life isn’t fair.

    No two situations are ever exactly alike, so we cannot pass a blanket judgment. I was just taking the side of the one who doesn’t have a voice. As Chronic Malanga said, we can only really speak for ourselves. Non-legal abortions ARE a nightmare, so that is where things stand today. Abortions are legal. I do not equate taking a life with murder, and that makes the debate even harder. Still taking a life because of *insert reason here* is still taking a life in the end. Not my place to judge the motive, but it is human nature to do so anyway.

  41. 41 Phoenix Jul 26th, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Is arguing with atheists a bad thing? That’s kinda like saying “I feel like I’m arguing with people who don’t agree with me” isn’t it?

    Then again, a lot of atheists I know fight really dirty, so maybe it’s best to agree to disagree on a topic that has no middle ground before someone looses an eye ;)

  42. 42 anonymous Jul 27th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    ITS NOT JUST THE ENDING OF A PREGNANCY,ITS THE ULTIMATE ABUSE OF A CHILD,ITS MUTILATING A CHILD UNTIL IT IS DEAD AND SADLY NOT JUST AN ENDING TO THE IDEA OF HAVING A BABY ITS ENDING THAT BABY’S LIFE FOREVER.THINK PEOPLE.OH, AND I AM A WOMAN WITH 4 BEAUTIFUL SONS,ONE OF WHOM HAS AUTISM AND IF THERE WERE A TEST TODAY TO DETERMINE THAT DISABILITY AND I KNEW MY SON HAD IT,I WOULD NEVER END HIS LIFE BEFORE HE COULD LIVE IT FOR HIMSELF,HE IS A HAPPY BOY AND WE ARE TRULY BLESSED BY GOD TO RECEIVE SUCH A CHILD TO RAISE AND TO LEARN FROM.

  43. 43 Chronic Malanga Jul 28th, 2008 at 3:30 am

    @anonymous

    Easy, tiger. You do know that there is a CAP LOCK function on the keyboard, don’t you?

  44. 44 jlynn Jul 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Yeah, except you can’t end a life that’s never been lived.

  45. 45 Patrick of Atlantis Aug 3rd, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Jlynn, My Baltimore Catechism says that God gave man a free will, or choice. And the Preamble to the Constitution says “to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity”. There is irony in the abortion issue. But irony becomes psychopathy when the pro-abortion people join up with the ’save the baby seal’ crowd and the ’stop the cock-fighting’ crowd and the ‘environment’ crowd. Therein you have a cultural epidemic in which anal-retentiveness and illogic are dominant characteristics and they flim flam a lot of people. But you’re a parent, you made a good choice.

  46. 46 lilbraud Oct 10th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    I like how people keep saying “yeah i think women should have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies…..” (about aborting a child) well that is true, EVERYONE is free to do as they please to their own body, duhhhh?! But when it comes to abortion, what about the father’s choice? or ummm, hello the unborn child?????? wow! That has nothing to do with freedom of your body, that is about killing an innocent human being! There are MANY other options besides abortion, I still can’t believe that in this day in age that it is a legal!

    But as for Sherri Shepard, does anyone actually watch “The View”? She is a joke, she is completely clueless as to half of the issues that the other women discuss. This woman is a complete idiot and should not be allowed to say a single word on television! I CANNOT believe that BABA Walters was stupid enough to hire this woman to sit on the same stage with these women and try to pretend like she knows what the hell she is talking about!!!

  47. 47 Dan Feb 20th, 2009 at 12:01 am

    It’s Billy from ABC’s reality show True Beauty! (The guy with the cross tattoo)

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