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	<title>Comments on: Roseanne Barr Holds a Grudge Against Brangelina</title>
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		<title>By: LYTEUP</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/08/19/roseanne-barr-holds-a-grudge-against-brangelina/comment-page-1/#comment-9545</link>
		<dc:creator>LYTEUP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I agree, who the hell is she? 
Until this post, I was guilty of thinking Rosie O&#039;Donnell and Roseanne Barr were the same individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree, who the hell is she?<br />
Until this post, I was guilty of thinking Rosie O&#8217;Donnell and Roseanne Barr were the same individual.</p>
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		<title>By: nebraskats</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/08/19/roseanne-barr-holds-a-grudge-against-brangelina/comment-page-1/#comment-8814</link>
		<dc:creator>nebraskats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who the HELL is Rosanne Barr?????</description>
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		<title>By: Shell</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/08/19/roseanne-barr-holds-a-grudge-against-brangelina/comment-page-1/#comment-8804</link>
		<dc:creator>Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never defended a policy of non-interference in my post by the way. All I did was reason that if anyone wanted to clear the US off any liability in the present fate of this continent we all know as Africa, then that person ought to make sure he at least knows which crimes our past administrations stand accused of. And I say this because I know I speak for a majority when I say not all our relatives or friends are aspiring blue helmets. I just don’t like the image of a bunch of capped americans heroes flying all over the globe every time there’s a need for cleanup. That’s not accurate, for one, and two, not real flattering either if you put it like you did. What you do you mean motives matter? Like we have a more legitimate reason to be over there than someone else? What happened to self-determination? Or I’m sorry, what did NOT happen to it? Is this why we’re not in Darfur right now, because we jump only when the Russians or Chinese say jump and they haven’t? So much for our immaculate intents… And since I’m on about intents, I’ll concede this other point too. I’ve basically NO idea why we lend our hand only to a few nations and not others, but it’s true, we do, and not only so, we pull out pretty damn fast too when tables reverse and our protégées become a lost cause. Take the Belgians who for decades loved only the sight of the Tutsis in power yet flew back to Europe almost in a heartbeat when the Hutus overthrew every Tutsi in 1953. Or take again Mitterand who, unless more files become declassified in the next years, I don’t think I can ever understand why his officials conspired against the very regime he’d spent years attending by. So who cares about motives? See how sainted with unconditional love and morals we are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never defended a policy of non-interference in my post by the way. All I did was reason that if anyone wanted to clear the US off any liability in the present fate of this continent we all know as Africa, then that person ought to make sure he at least knows which crimes our past administrations stand accused of. And I say this because I know I speak for a majority when I say not all our relatives or friends are aspiring blue helmets. I just don’t like the image of a bunch of capped americans heroes flying all over the globe every time there’s a need for cleanup. That’s not accurate, for one, and two, not real flattering either if you put it like you did. What you do you mean motives matter? Like we have a more legitimate reason to be over there than someone else? What happened to self-determination? Or I’m sorry, what did NOT happen to it? Is this why we’re not in Darfur right now, because we jump only when the Russians or Chinese say jump and they haven’t? So much for our immaculate intents… And since I’m on about intents, I’ll concede this other point too. I’ve basically NO idea why we lend our hand only to a few nations and not others, but it’s true, we do, and not only so, we pull out pretty damn fast too when tables reverse and our protégées become a lost cause. Take the Belgians who for decades loved only the sight of the Tutsis in power yet flew back to Europe almost in a heartbeat when the Hutus overthrew every Tutsi in 1953. Or take again Mitterand who, unless more files become declassified in the next years, I don’t think I can ever understand why his officials conspired against the very regime he’d spent years attending by. So who cares about motives? See how sainted with unconditional love and morals we are?</p>
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		<title>By: SweetCandy</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/08/19/roseanne-barr-holds-a-grudge-against-brangelina/comment-page-1/#comment-8803</link>
		<dc:creator>SweetCandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Africa is a mess right now. Anything anyone can do for them, as long as it&#039;s helping Aficans, is a good thing to me. Of course I don&#039;t think Joilie-Pitt are saints, a lot of what they do is made very public. If that is to draw attention to the cause or themselves doesn&#039;t matter to me as long as someone, somewere is builting hospitals and school for those who need it. No you don&#039;t have to have millions of dollars to make a difference. I know two wonderful young ladies who went to Africa for aid. They paid for their own way their and are building schools with their own hands. I think what they have givin is equal if not greater than what the Joilie-Pitts have done. The Joilie-Pitts have lots of money, it is easy for them to give. These girls gave up their jobs, homes, and their own money to go to Africa and do their part. I admire these girls, sorry, women greatly because they are doing all of this with out the thank-yous and publicity. I think these are the types of people who will make a real difference in Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Africa is a mess right now. Anything anyone can do for them, as long as it&#8217;s helping Aficans, is a good thing to me. Of course I don&#8217;t think Joilie-Pitt are saints, a lot of what they do is made very public. If that is to draw attention to the cause or themselves doesn&#8217;t matter to me as long as someone, somewere is builting hospitals and school for those who need it. No you don&#8217;t have to have millions of dollars to make a difference. I know two wonderful young ladies who went to Africa for aid. They paid for their own way their and are building schools with their own hands. I think what they have givin is equal if not greater than what the Joilie-Pitts have done. The Joilie-Pitts have lots of money, it is easy for them to give. These girls gave up their jobs, homes, and their own money to go to Africa and do their part. I admire these girls, sorry, women greatly because they are doing all of this with out the thank-yous and publicity. I think these are the types of people who will make a real difference in Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott F.</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/08/19/roseanne-barr-holds-a-grudge-against-brangelina/comment-page-1/#comment-8772</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alrighty - thanks for the history lesson, I feel utterly enlightened now.

So, sending medical supplies is bad because we&#039;re treating them like lab rats apparently?  The food is bad because we&#039;re ruining their economy?  Yeah, it&#039;s us sending them food that&#039;s doing it.  Couldn&#039;t have ANYTHING to do with 50 years of ethnic strife and idiots taking back productive farm land from &#039;white oppressors&#039; to hand it over to people who don&#039;t know how to farm!

Oh, and the part about &#039;having our favorites&#039; is just priceless.  How naive can one person be?  You actually don&#039;t expect a nation to differentiate between what they send their allies and what they send their enemies?  

My point about the Soviets wasn&#039;t that you left them out, it&#039;s that you&#039;re completely ignoring their influence.  The United States didn&#039;t operate in a vacuum.  If the Reds toss a few million Kalashnikovs at rebel army A to try to overthrow a democratically elected government, we&#039;re likely to send that government military aid.  It&#039;s the difference in motive that matters.  They were actively trying to destabilize those places, we were trying to restore order and clean up their mess.

But that&#039;s fine man.  But I elect you to go to Africa and explain to all those people that are going to die of plague and famine when we stop sending food and medical supplies - I&#039;m sure you &#039;ll have no trouble explaining to them how they&#039;re really &#039;better off&#039; without our pesky interference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alrighty &#8211; thanks for the history lesson, I feel utterly enlightened now.</p>
<p>So, sending medical supplies is bad because we&#8217;re treating them like lab rats apparently?  The food is bad because we&#8217;re ruining their economy?  Yeah, it&#8217;s us sending them food that&#8217;s doing it.  Couldn&#8217;t have ANYTHING to do with 50 years of ethnic strife and idiots taking back productive farm land from &#8216;white oppressors&#8217; to hand it over to people who don&#8217;t know how to farm!</p>
<p>Oh, and the part about &#8216;having our favorites&#8217; is just priceless.  How naive can one person be?  You actually don&#8217;t expect a nation to differentiate between what they send their allies and what they send their enemies?  </p>
<p>My point about the Soviets wasn&#8217;t that you left them out, it&#8217;s that you&#8217;re completely ignoring their influence.  The United States didn&#8217;t operate in a vacuum.  If the Reds toss a few million Kalashnikovs at rebel army A to try to overthrow a democratically elected government, we&#8217;re likely to send that government military aid.  It&#8217;s the difference in motive that matters.  They were actively trying to destabilize those places, we were trying to restore order and clean up their mess.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s fine man.  But I elect you to go to Africa and explain to all those people that are going to die of plague and famine when we stop sending food and medical supplies &#8211; I&#8217;m sure you &#8216;ll have no trouble explaining to them how they&#8217;re really &#8216;better off&#8217; without our pesky interference.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me? Did you catch yourself thinking per chance when you were typing or I’m sorry is it time for a lesson? You write we cant be the bad guys because we send them billions in food and medical supplies. Are you jocking??? As for as medical supplies go Africa has always been a lab experiment, and food supplies??? 

Listen, food aid from the US does NOT cost us a penny more. If anything the US is the only nation in the world that sells its food aid today, and so this too in ironic addition to the flourishing of arms trade has been in place since the Cold war when we started soliciting the loyalty of emerging democratic states, and &quot;surprise, surprise&quot; it was also then too that the IMF was created to handpick specifically those nations that would start receiving out OUR favor. How do you figure?? Because asides from wanting to play peacekeeping hero of the day (Mogadishu doesn’t gracefully close this chapter…) you CAN&#039;T say we never not had our favorites much less were not directly been implicated in arms dealing, and that my friend, is just as much a crime as producing the weapons themselves. 

Think Rwanda back to 94 for instance. You’d think after the Somali debacle a year before Rwanda wouldn’t have been in any our horizons, but Boutros Ghali HIMSELF was the man who&#039;d helped seal some five million arms deal btw Egypt and South Africa so the Hutu front would stay in the league of their genocidal act (Boutros was good friends with French president Francois miterrand, and basically Mitterand was good friends with Hutu leader Habyrimana). So all that said now, I am the one struggling to see how my omission of the Soviets into this damages my take on the US duplicitous class act. The Soviets were simply besides the point, and even so, I’m still unclear how any omission of them translates as evidence to the contrary. 

And hon, please if you were to take anything away from this, and simply b/c I just can’t wrap my mind over the pretentiousness of some people who like to talk straight out of their asses despite or indeed because of the little they know, let me just say this: today the billions of dollars we send in food aid are called export dumping. If we truly cared for these nations we’d find any means possible to diminish the most blatant and disastrous effects of our international export subsidy policies on them. And basically, that means recognizing these people have incompatible diets with the distilled animal feed we send to them (it&#039;s not actual food, everyone), we&#039;d once and for all absorb the fact they don&#039;t have the right infrastructure for the food to even get there, and FINALLY we&#039;d just admit THERE IS NO SENSE IN CRASHING OUR LOADS OF GMOS onto their soils if it only means to disrupt the livelihoods of millions and making their markets only more volatile than before. 

And why is all this necessary, you may ask? I don’t know, maybe because it proves we don’t wear our Samaritan robe as well as you choose to think. So no, actually, buddy, YOU couldn’t be more wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me? Did you catch yourself thinking per chance when you were typing or I’m sorry is it time for a lesson? You write we cant be the bad guys because we send them billions in food and medical supplies. Are you jocking??? As for as medical supplies go Africa has always been a lab experiment, and food supplies??? </p>
<p>Listen, food aid from the US does NOT cost us a penny more. If anything the US is the only nation in the world that sells its food aid today, and so this too in ironic addition to the flourishing of arms trade has been in place since the Cold war when we started soliciting the loyalty of emerging democratic states, and &#8220;surprise, surprise&#8221; it was also then too that the IMF was created to handpick specifically those nations that would start receiving out OUR favor. How do you figure?? Because asides from wanting to play peacekeeping hero of the day (Mogadishu doesn’t gracefully close this chapter…) you CAN&#8217;T say we never not had our favorites much less were not directly been implicated in arms dealing, and that my friend, is just as much a crime as producing the weapons themselves. </p>
<p>Think Rwanda back to 94 for instance. You’d think after the Somali debacle a year before Rwanda wouldn’t have been in any our horizons, but Boutros Ghali HIMSELF was the man who&#8217;d helped seal some five million arms deal btw Egypt and South Africa so the Hutu front would stay in the league of their genocidal act (Boutros was good friends with French president Francois miterrand, and basically Mitterand was good friends with Hutu leader Habyrimana). So all that said now, I am the one struggling to see how my omission of the Soviets into this damages my take on the US duplicitous class act. The Soviets were simply besides the point, and even so, I’m still unclear how any omission of them translates as evidence to the contrary. </p>
<p>And hon, please if you were to take anything away from this, and simply b/c I just can’t wrap my mind over the pretentiousness of some people who like to talk straight out of their asses despite or indeed because of the little they know, let me just say this: today the billions of dollars we send in food aid are called export dumping. If we truly cared for these nations we’d find any means possible to diminish the most blatant and disastrous effects of our international export subsidy policies on them. And basically, that means recognizing these people have incompatible diets with the distilled animal feed we send to them (it&#8217;s not actual food, everyone), we&#8217;d once and for all absorb the fact they don&#8217;t have the right infrastructure for the food to even get there, and FINALLY we&#8217;d just admit THERE IS NO SENSE IN CRASHING OUR LOADS OF GMOS onto their soils if it only means to disrupt the livelihoods of millions and making their markets only more volatile than before. </p>
<p>And why is all this necessary, you may ask? I don’t know, maybe because it proves we don’t wear our Samaritan robe as well as you choose to think. So no, actually, buddy, YOU couldn’t be more wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Sick of GOP Sanctimoniousness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sick of GOP Sanctimoniousness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America tries to civilize countries-China and Russia just give them guns and say &#039;Kill whoever you do not like&#039;. Then America stands by wringing her hands and whimpering &#039;Oh my Goodness&#039;. Oh yeah and she sends bandages and bleeding heart idiots to patch up the wounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America tries to civilize countries-China and Russia just give them guns and say &#8216;Kill whoever you do not like&#8217;. Then America stands by wringing her hands and whimpering &#8216;Oh my Goodness&#8217;. Oh yeah and she sends bandages and bleeding heart idiots to patch up the wounded.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/08/19/roseanne-barr-holds-a-grudge-against-brangelina/comment-page-1/#comment-8762</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Scott F. - Africa actually &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; have some very rich and desirable natural resources, e.g. oil in Southern Sudan (aka, the contested part of Sudan) diamonds, gold and other precious minerals in Western Sub-Saharan Africa, etc. America has contributed to an extent to the milieu that Africa finds itself in, but the reasons America doesn&#039;t contribute more are fairly obvious - it&#039;s a high risk investment if anything was. The infrastructure and stability of most of the continent&#039;s countries are simply not conducive to high amounts of investment. 

You&#039;re definitely spot-on, however, in fingering the Dirty Friggin&#039; Reds as the main culprits for enabling Africa&#039;s turmoil.

I&#039;m not an expert on the matter, and anyone who is I&#039;d invite to come prove me wrong, but it seems that much like in the rest of the world, our consumption via corporations and sub-contractors fronts the capital, the black market from Russia and Eastern Europe (and now, China) fronts the arms, and ethnic hatred does the rest. Either way, I doubt Obama or McCain are going to make that much of a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Scott F. &#8211; Africa actually <i>does</i> have some very rich and desirable natural resources, e.g. oil in Southern Sudan (aka, the contested part of Sudan) diamonds, gold and other precious minerals in Western Sub-Saharan Africa, etc. America has contributed to an extent to the milieu that Africa finds itself in, but the reasons America doesn&#8217;t contribute more are fairly obvious &#8211; it&#8217;s a high risk investment if anything was. The infrastructure and stability of most of the continent&#8217;s countries are simply not conducive to high amounts of investment. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re definitely spot-on, however, in fingering the Dirty Friggin&#8217; Reds as the main culprits for enabling Africa&#8217;s turmoil.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an expert on the matter, and anyone who is I&#8217;d invite to come prove me wrong, but it seems that much like in the rest of the world, our consumption via corporations and sub-contractors fronts the capital, the black market from Russia and Eastern Europe (and now, China) fronts the arms, and ethnic hatred does the rest. Either way, I doubt Obama or McCain are going to make that much of a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott F.</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/08/19/roseanne-barr-holds-a-grudge-against-brangelina/comment-page-1/#comment-8743</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every UN power emerging after the Cold war HAS had something to do with its collapse.&quot;
&quot;Have we not provided their machetes, guns and grenades, and thus by virtue of doing so somehow directly implicated ourselves in their wars?&quot;

Actually buddy, you couldn&#039;t really be more wrong.  You could try - but I just don&#039;t see how you could accomplish it.  Have you taken a look at an African army(I use the term VERY loosely) lately?  Does that equipment they&#039;re packing look U.S. issued to you?  I love how you place all the blame on the U.N. post Cold War too - God forbid we blame the Soviets who filled the entire planet with AK-47&#039;s.  By the way, in case you were wondering, it&#039;s estimated that AK-47&#039;s have killed more people than any other weapon in the history of man.

Wanna take a guess how many of those we&#039;ve made in this country?  Is your answer none?  God I hope so, but considering the intelligence of your post, I&#039;ll try not to hold my breath.  

The US never had a whole lot of interest in Africa - little strategic value, few natural resources, constantly shifting governments (just what exactly is Congo known as these days?).  The Russians saw it and South America as untapped markets for exporting communism and flooded weapons in to any warlord that claimed they would support them if they came to power.  Now that they&#039;re out of the game the Chinese have picked up the torch and are running with it brilliantly.  

We&#039;ve tried to come in and restore order a few different times, and it&#039;s always ended badly.  These people have ethnic hatreds that make the Middle East look like hippie commune.  I just fail to see how it&#039;s our fault exactly.  We send them billions in food and medical supplies, the Russians and Chinese send weapons, but we&#039;re the bad guys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every UN power emerging after the Cold war HAS had something to do with its collapse.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Have we not provided their machetes, guns and grenades, and thus by virtue of doing so somehow directly implicated ourselves in their wars?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually buddy, you couldn&#8217;t really be more wrong.  You could try &#8211; but I just don&#8217;t see how you could accomplish it.  Have you taken a look at an African army(I use the term VERY loosely) lately?  Does that equipment they&#8217;re packing look U.S. issued to you?  I love how you place all the blame on the U.N. post Cold War too &#8211; God forbid we blame the Soviets who filled the entire planet with AK-47&#8217;s.  By the way, in case you were wondering, it&#8217;s estimated that AK-47&#8217;s have killed more people than any other weapon in the history of man.</p>
<p>Wanna take a guess how many of those we&#8217;ve made in this country?  Is your answer none?  God I hope so, but considering the intelligence of your post, I&#8217;ll try not to hold my breath.  </p>
<p>The US never had a whole lot of interest in Africa &#8211; little strategic value, few natural resources, constantly shifting governments (just what exactly is Congo known as these days?).  The Russians saw it and South America as untapped markets for exporting communism and flooded weapons in to any warlord that claimed they would support them if they came to power.  Now that they&#8217;re out of the game the Chinese have picked up the torch and are running with it brilliantly.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve tried to come in and restore order a few different times, and it&#8217;s always ended badly.  These people have ethnic hatreds that make the Middle East look like hippie commune.  I just fail to see how it&#8217;s our fault exactly.  We send them billions in food and medical supplies, the Russians and Chinese send weapons, but we&#8217;re the bad guys?</p>
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		<title>By: vitaminkid</title>
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		<dc:creator>vitaminkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope she never apologizes. To whomever claimed the white house has nothing to do with her assault on Africa, please make sure you eyes didn&#039;t converge too close to the screen while reading. The whole polarization talk between dems and reps here isn&#039;t even so much the talk than the fact that she rightfully pointed to everyone&#039;s culpability in the demise of this continent. Every UN power emerging after the Cold war HAS had something to do with its collapse. Are these nations &quot;old&quot; enough to procure for themselves now? Sure, but how again does that exonerate our past administrations from NOT having contributed to their carnage? Have we not provided their machetes, guns and grenades, and thus by virtue of doing so somehow directly implicated ourselves in their wars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope she never apologizes. To whomever claimed the white house has nothing to do with her assault on Africa, please make sure you eyes didn&#8217;t converge too close to the screen while reading. The whole polarization talk between dems and reps here isn&#8217;t even so much the talk than the fact that she rightfully pointed to everyone&#8217;s culpability in the demise of this continent. Every UN power emerging after the Cold war HAS had something to do with its collapse. Are these nations &#8220;old&#8221; enough to procure for themselves now? Sure, but how again does that exonerate our past administrations from NOT having contributed to their carnage? Have we not provided their machetes, guns and grenades, and thus by virtue of doing so somehow directly implicated ourselves in their wars?</p>
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