My full report at this hour can be found here.
P.S. Gawker has more.
P.P.S. So does Stranahan.
P.P.P.S. Okay? Are we done here?
P.P.P.P.S. Nope! So, Bristol Palin wasn’t pregnant at the time when the Kos person accused her of being pregnant, but she is pregnant now. Seems like if the people going after Sarah Palin really wanted to effectively capitalize on this, they wouldn’t have come up with a ludicrous conspiracy theory that makes me look at this news and say, “Well, it could’ve been worse…” But I’m sure it proves something, to the people who need it to prove something. Fittingly enough: Happy Labor Day!
Update: Barack beseeches, “Back off Bristol.”
More: Seriously, you guys. Come on.
Discrepancy of time/place of birth:
http://mparent7777-1.livejournal.com/1515044.html
If she indeed was pregnant, I would question the judgement of flying–I believe that you need special permission anyway– after amniotic fluid was leaking.
And what kind of mother would not have her daughter’s ‘mono’ treated, so that she suffered and missed school for 4-5 months? I understand that prednisone knocks it out in a couple weeks.
I knew a guy who missed a whole semester of college because of mono. But hey, I’m no doctor.
[I'm reading numerous links at whatreallyhappened.com You can delete this if you want; I believe it's rude to drive readers elsewhere, w/o your permission].
I was pregnant in a job that involved travel. This was in 1997. I was *forbidden* from travel by air in my last month of pregnancy. The airlines will NOT allow you on a plane! My doctor had fits thar I went to Florida by air two months before my baby was born. Something smells with this story. When I started leaking fluid at night, when my husband was away. the hospital was reluctant to allow me to drive there, I told them it was only about a mile, and they said ok, but most reluctantly. BTW, my baby was fine, my pregnancy was risk-free.
In the 21st century, doctors from the Mayo Clinic to Dr. Weil recommend NSAIds for pain, antibiotics for secondary infections, and prednisone for swelling. They all say the patient should be better in a few weeks.
But this isn’t about the daughter.
Wait. Even if it’s impossible for somebody to miss more than a few weeks of school because of mono: How is this rumor not about the daughter?
I’ve had mono. I missed 6 weeks of school (high school) and I couldn’t participate in physical activities for two months after I went back. So there’s three months right there. I don’t know how long I had it before I went to a doctor. A month? So there’s four. Because I didn’t realize I was sick I could have easily driven a car. Having mono is not like having the flu.
But that was way back in the 20th century.
Let’s all remember; she will be under the microscope for the next two months. We will know everything by november. Right now, I have nothing for or against her in any way.
For me, the most interesting thing about this story is that government-run websites are deleting content on a holiday weekend in order to kill links to photographs. Even if this story is not true–and I don’t believe there is anything beyond suppositions and poor judgment on behalf of Sarah Palin (who spends 8-12 hours in transit when you’re leaking fluids during a high-risk pregnancy? What sort of doctor would be okay with that!?)–I find the idea of scrubbing .gov sites worthy of investigation alone.
For those keeping score at home:
1) It’s not her kid!
2) How dare she fly when she’s pregnant!!
Can you give us more info, Isadora? Which sites?
I’m so confused because I swear the first time I read about this story it was on The Moderate Voice and then Daily Kos and they had notes that some links died shortly after putting them up and directing traffic to them. But now I can’t find the exact post. I wish I’d copied it the first time I saw it yesterday.
I’ll keep looking to which posts claimed links had died. Sorry if it’s a false alarm.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223 <–this post claims photos were moved/went missing over the weekend. I feel like I found another poster yesterday that claimed the same thing on a different website but I was skimming quickly so I don’t know which site.
There are lots of reasons to worry about Sarah Palin as a V.P. choice. This isn’t one of them Or two of them.
Here’s the simple - after having four kids, she knew how she felt and knew she’d be fine on the flight. She was right. Anything else is Morning Morning Uterusbacking.
It’s NOT about the daughter [who is innocent], because it’s about the *mother*: lying [?], judgment, qualifications for VP, scandals of her own.
Time will tell.
Again, this is about holding public office–the highest– not Hollywood gossip-mongering.
I predict she’ll be gone sooner than Eagleton was — about 2 weeks, for those keeping score. [for those ancient enough to remember]
But why wait, right?
I think I mentioned here before that it is not that difficult to get pregnant at 43 like Ms. Druck, but that many women avoid it due to the increased risk of Down Syndrome. Well,here you go. At 39 your risk of having a baby with DS is about 1 in 100 and of course it just goes up from there.
Have read a few comments questioning how she was allowed to fly and I agree that part is unusual. When my water broke I was able to pack up my suitcase, assemble the top of a bassinet and drive myself to the hospital about thirty minutes away. Once your water is broken they recommend that you go to the hospital. So it seems what she did was a little risky but not that shocking. (I think I read that a baby was born on a plane just last week?)
I am much more concerned about McCain’s recklessness and policies that sound just like what we have had. At least there is a small chance she can relate to someone who makes less than a million dollars a year. And I think I saw a pic of her pregnant.
Let me see if I’ve got this right.
Hadenuf claims Palin will no longer be VP after September 14, 2008 due to an Andrew Young-like claim of false paternity to protect her daughter’s honor/perceived chastity?
I’ll take that bet. I’ve looked at available photographs and medical documentation on flying while pregnant and I give Hadenuf’s assertion a three percent chance of being accurate.
Some things to consider:
Women and men who have been competitive athletes are better at maintaining and recovering their ideal weights.
Children of political candidates frequently spend extended periods of time away from school.
Airline imposed flight restrictions are rationalized almost solely on potential liability and fellow passenger inconvenience arguments, and finally
Alaska is cold and people wear heavy clothing for a large portion of the year.
Alaska is COLD? So pregnancy is not visible there? Athletes are somehow immune to the laws of nature?
HAHA.
YOU have never been pregnant!
Either you have the very same standards applicable to *all* those in the public eye or you can STFU.
i don’t know deceiver.. i just can’t like this one!
Simon, I can wait. Can you?
I’d better not, according to the many anxious e-mails I’ve gotten today. And comments like this one…
Obviously, you’re behind the curve on this story. I would hardly call my invitation for you to pay a little attention to this ‘an anxious e-mail’.
Doesn’t matter to me. The Enquirer will dig it out. Or not.
On this one, I can live with being “behind the curve.” But keep me posted!
My sister is currently seven months preggy. She’s not particularly visiable in her ‘work’ clothes (she’s a teacher, and tends to wear suits similar to this lady). It’s not like this sort of thing is standard for all people either. She carried a small baby with issues to a premature turn, and made some dumb choices about flying. For someone in her postion (anyone in the executive/political/I’m-Ever-So-Important sectors), it’s not uncommon for them to believe the normal ways of doing things won’t apply to them, and they push themselves too hard. I’ve seen pictures of her at seven-eight months on other blogs, and the woman wasn’t carrying the baby in what you would call typical yet she was definately pregnant.
As for Mono, that crap knocked me out for just about three months. It’s not something fun, and while the timing is definately fishy, it’s not really a smoking gun. There were bad, dumb choices made here but this whole thing just doesn’t add up to what people are trying to make it. She took risks and paid for them in a sad way. And before you say it, no, I’m absolutely not a Republican. This is just ridiculous.
How so?
She took a high risk flight and likely caused a premature birth in a high risk pregnancy. At the very least she took a risk getting pregnant at 44. I honestly feel bad for her, since my cousin has CP and my aunt blames herself every day for delaying the c-section.
That could also possibly explain why she delayed announcing the pregnancy. A lot of people would question her judgement about having a baby after forty, and she may have wanted to deflect that.
You’ve Hadenuf, and this myth is busted.
Trig Palin was born on April 18, 2008, 1 month prior to Sarah Palin’s due date
http://www.lifenews.com/state3150.html
So at a month early, instead of a 40 week normal pregnancy, she had a 36 week pregnancy, and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) doesn’t recommends women refrain from flying until after the 36th week.
http://www.pregnancy-info.net/wellbeing_flying.html
Since she delivered after week 36, she was not at peak weight of a full delivery.
And yes, Alaska is blistering cold, and in the last four months of her pregnancy, the daily minimum temperature averaged -4.2 degrees Celsius, hardly the time for revealing clothing.
http://www.travelgator.com/do/cityDesc?cityId=2706564-Juneau-Alaska-USA
And finally, yes, athletes deliver earlier and gain less weight, and lose it quicker than non-athletes.
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http://tinyurl.com/6za2qw
http://tinyurl.com/6za2qw
But how did she “pay for it in a sad way”? Which is the sad part?
Knowing she put her baby at additional risk. Sorry, sometimes my phrasology is a little silly. I try to not sound judgemental. Nothing -bad- happened that already wasn’t on its way, but premies always have a little rougher time, and this baby already had Downs. Like I said, my aunt curses herself for not agreeing to the csection earlier, and this sort of thing can just get to a mother.
Premature babies have a rougher time, and now she is going to maybe question if she could have made it easier. That’s all I meant.
I really think this is nonsense. All pregnant women are not fat, everyone carries a baby differently. I know after Edwards we’re probably all seeing shadows, but in this case I don’t think they really are here.
By the way, your coverage on that was amazing, Simon.
Long time reader, just shy.
Okay, no problem. I just couldn’t figure out what you meant.
(And thank you!)
No, I do that a lot. I make up words, and use phrases weirdly. Drove my professors in college nuts.
A lot of the photos people are pointing to are undated. So much of this is reminding me of the ‘Loose Change’ nonsense around 9/11. Stuff like this is very hard to cover up completely. She checked into a hospital. That sort of thing is protected by HIPPA obviously, but they don’t exactly let you just hang out in the maternity ward either.
Yeah, it’s one thing to keep a pregnant mistress secret. Making people think you’re pregnant when you’re not? And you’re the governor of your state? That seems… unlikely. But hey, whatever keeps the Kos people off the street.
Alaska Daily News back in 2006 has the same photo purportedly showing Palin’s daughter in 2008.
Was she pregnant two years ago also?
http://www.adn.com/photos/v-gallery/story/509850.html?/1521/gallery/509852-a509987-t3.html
I find this story implausible, too, but to say she didn’t show this time - her fifth pregnancy, because she’s fit is just wrong. There are pictures of her from an earlier pregnancy where she looks very (normally) pregnant - her face is puffy, she’s very round. A fifth baby will not be carried lighter than earlier ones. Each birth tends tom come faster, & the pregnancies show more, no matter how fit you are.
I actually feel so bad for the daughter right now.
She’s got the blogsphere calling her fat.
Tell me, which one looks post-pregnant here?
http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/083008_0928/55.jpg
And, comparing her pregnancy at 7 months with her 1st child, to her supposed 5th child (which should show MORE than the 1st):
http://i33.tinypic.com/mt70d4.jpg
^^Ok, Anon ^^
I have highlighted with a red arrow the party I believe looks most pregnant in your photo.
Are we all in agreement?
http://i36.tinypic.com/8×4f4l.jpg
That is some compelling stuff, anon. Did you know she’s the governor of a state? How do you suppose she pulled off such a charade while conducting her gubernatorial duties?
I think its pathetic that some people are making fun of her daughter for being fat. Even in anon’s passive-aggressive way. That is her daughter in the picture is it not?
I felt the same way when people picked on Chelsea Clinton for being as homely as she was. I think she’s a babe now by the way. I think the spouse of a candidate is fair game if they somehow inject themselves into the race but never the kids.
And Fortunate Son, the only thing I see in that photo are that guy’s shoes.
Here’s a pretty comprehensive collection of all the crap flung since friday:
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=13191
http://ww.andrewhalcro.com/shadow_governor
Do we want the hubby leading the free world?
A Reader’s Digest version re previous post:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/seafan
No, I don’t think we’re done with this.
Your new photo of Palin hardly is conclusive and is beneath the usual great work you do here.
You didn’t even post the date that photo was made.
I would imagine it was made after she announced she was pregnant.
Don’t you think she would make an attempt to look pregnant after such an announcement?
Anyway, there is still plenty to cover about her actions in office even if you dismiss this.
Ok, just one more comment from the peanut gallery….Dontcha think it’s interesting that Mr. Palin (Todd, I believe his name is) isn’t ever seen holding his SON? Why is it sis Bristol who is always holding him or off feeding him? Shouldn’t Dad be doing some of the heavy lifting (pun intended)OF HIS OWN SON now that Mom is so busy being a Vice Presidential nominee?
Oh no! Sorry about that.
Of course, you’re assuming the photo is real in the first place. Kinda naive, doncha think?
You know, I think you might be onto something there. What are you thinking for the stomach pad, foam? Down? She’d have to come up with some sort of excuse when people would want to feel the baby kick, too. And her pediatrician and all her staff would have to cover for her. But hey, you know how crafty those Republicans are!
http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/083108_1430/07.jpg
Of course, it’s been a whole four days, so you’d think he’d have been photographed holding the kid more than once. Don’t they have Child Protective Services in Alaska?
From the Alaska blog I’m reading (mudflats.wordpress.com),the story seems to be that Palin used incredibly bad judgment.
But the real story is her daughter, the story is that she’s pregnant now, had a quickie shotgun wedding, and that the father has already been identified via his My Space page. Apparently it’s been common knowledge/open secret for months.
Now remember, Palin also believes in abstinence, no pre-marital sex…so they are devastated and highly embarrassed….
PJ, can you cite the pregnant daughter story? The blog you mention makes no mention of Palin’s daughter — pregnant or otherwise.
Targeting a candidate, or even a candidate’s spouse should they insert themselves into the campaign is one thing — targeting a candidates kids is both contemptible and a sign of desperation.
This was a plot on Desperate Housewives. Apparently, there was a hilarious scene this year where, Bree, faking her own pregnancy to cover for her daughter, was wearing a nice spongey belly and she impaled her stomach with a barbecue fork. Wacky hi jinks ensued.
You know, whether or not this pregnancy was real or fake, I do have to question her judgment flying to Texas so late in her pregnancy. Yeah, she had already had 4 kids before that and was an old hand at baby delivering but man, when your water breaks, you know it is game over, not deliver a speech time and take an 8 hour flight home. And she had to go back to Wasilla instead of staying in Anchorage, even though she was having a premature birth? Apparently, where she chose to give birth was not properly equipped to deal with the baby if there had been major complications.
If she faked a pregnancy it makes her kind of psycho. If she was really pregnant, flying across country shows really poor judgement.
Nevermind the citation, PJ — I found one:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09012008/news/nationalnews/palin_admits_her_17_year_old_daughter_is_127025.htm
But not too embarassed to admit it in a press release:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881
Sarah Palin wanted Alaska to secede from the Union!
Wow!
Well, here you go:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26496189/
Ahem. I knew this two days ago. Probably I knew before McCain did.
You should listen to the PJ. She knows her stuff.
Guess the Palins are willing to allow their daughte to be “punished with a baby”. Good for them.
oh god, now her 17 year old is pregnant and getting married. when she released her statement (sarah palin) i loved how she tried to twist it into some great news. she is seriously despicable.
“Your new photo of Palin hardly is conclusive and is beneath the usual great work you do here.”
You should ask for your money back.
My goodness. So… what should she have said?
someone explain this (before it gets scrubbed):
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=63524358
Minor children (even if they’re acting like adults), if not also adult children, should be off limits - yes, even if their parents have to issue press releases about them, in an attempt at damage control. Fat jokes and pregnancy rumours are bad enough if you and/or your parents are regular, private individuals, but being in the public eye must magnify the situation by 100, especially if you didn’t choose to be there.
I won’t be voting for this woman’s ticket and wasn’t going to anyway, but I feel bad for her daughter. Most of us made bad choices as teens at some point or another, but at least we didn’t get them broadcast on every type of media.
Well, it appears to be a Myspace page. Is it the wife or girlfriend of Palin’s oldest son? I dunno, what do you think it is, and why do you think it’ll be scrubbed?
There’s a comment on that myspace that asks about this girls’ mom, dad, and Levi. The press release implies Bristol’s baby daddy is Levi. ‘Course, then there’s the myspace of ‘C-Ray’, who declares his love of Ms. Palin. Ah, young love. Maybe a future Maury episode. I’m sure the myspace referenced above will go away, because now the internet has been sic’ed on ‘em.
Maybe if you put it in 25 words or less? I’m not following you.
Hi,
Here is a video allegedly made by Bristol talking to her father while he receives a call from Sarah announcing that she has won the election to be mayor of Wasilla. I think everyone will agree that this family suffers from major dysfunction. Scroll down the page to the video:
http://watchingthewatchers.org/news/1445/alleged-palin-family-video-turns-up
peachtree pam
Over at the mudflats landofpalin blog, the endless thread references another myspace, of a Christopher Ray of Palmer, AK, which declares his love for Bristol Palin. C-Ray had the good sense to set his myspace to private. None of this is at all relevant to anything, but having wasted a good amount of time on this already, I can’t seem to look away. I know I need to. I will seek the appropriate help.
That does sound bad. Citation?
Totally. Remember how it took the news 3 weeks to get around to the Edwards story? Whereas right now, four days after she was announced, I’m reading about her husband’s DUI when he was 22. Yeah, they’re really backing off on these folks…
I might, if that guy had some acting skills or any resemblance whatsoever to Todd Palin. Who’s somehow younger now than he was in ‘96. Come on, guys, do a Google Image Search or something.
well no i’m just saying she sounded so thrilled her 17 year old was pregnant. i’ve known a few people who have gotten pregnant young and let me tell you.. their parents were not thrilled.
And that’s “despicable”? Seems a bit harsh. Maybe she really is happy?
Sarah Palin wasn’t even vetted by the FBI.
Don’t some of you find that troublesome?
I think Simon needs to decide if this is a gossip website or a political one, because he’s failing at both.
You sound a bit frustrated, hadenuf. A nice lie-down in a dark room with a cold compress over your forehead might calm your nerves. Hope you feel better soon!
P.S. When you get back: Have the other three been vetted by the FBI? If so, what did it entail? If you could provide URLs and such, that would help a lot. Thanks in advance.
part of me does agree with haden…. but celebrities and politicans are both hypocrites. and maybe this girl is happy but teen pregnancy is a big problem. just because so many girls are doing it doesnt mean its acceptable.
I’m really not seeing how any of this so far is hypocrisy. If either of them had had an abortion, that would be at odds with her pro-life views. But they didn’t. Are you guys saying this is like the Edwards story somehow? Please help me out.
“just because so many girls are doing it doesnt mean its acceptable.”
You know - the same point could be made about abortion, could it not? Just because a lot of people engage in ANY activity, it doesn’t mean it should be acceptable.
So, is the argument here that she should encourage her daughter to abort the baby, ignore personal responsibility, and go on living the kind of ‘carefree’ life that led her to get pregnant at 17 in the first place? Would that be less ‘despicable’ than owning up to your decisions like an adult?
Wow, the Dems really are the party of compassion and empathy aren’t they?
Now I’m very skeptical about the pregnancy faking thing, but here’s something odd I noticed about the photos of a pregnant Palin you linked to. Here’s where they were first uploaded on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30076181@N02/2814199887/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30076181@N02/2814979078/
The second photo is titled “Last day of the 25th AK legislature”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25th_Alaska_State_Legislature - This lists the last day as April 13, 2008, which is confirmed if you go to Alaska’s State Legislature page.
She very obviously looks pregnant here…but apparently nobody on the controversial flight back to Alaska from Texas she was on only four days later (April 17th) even noticed she was pregnant. Maybe all those people were super oblivious or something?
Obamas new rules:
Women are not allowed in politics. They should stay home, raise the kids (not the ones that should have been aborted).
Misogynists rule!
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Obamas new rules:
Women are not allowed in politics. They should stay home, raise the kids (not the ones that should have been aborted).
Misogynists rule!
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Where has Obama even implied this? I’m not an Obamamaniac myself but he seemed pretty classy to me regarding this subject with Mrs. Palin and her daughter.
This situation is beginning to remind me of the 9/11 Truth movement. People who honestly believe that a conspiracy of this magnitude could be pulled off without one person blowing the whistle need to have their heads examined. I mean seriously how many people would have to be involved in covering this up. Dozens upon dozens? In this day and age I couldn’t conspire to hide the cat food without the dog giving me up. And he’s my best friend!
Here’s a quote from another blog: Just horny kids w/out condoms. Embarrassing, but not exactly hypocritical. Which makes the case that the Palin story isn’t right for deceiver.
On the other hand, supporting the Alaska Independent Party and running for VP of the United States, could potentially qualify her.
Classy? His surrogates are sent out to trash the woman and he is classy?
Hey, Peachtree Pam: Regarding your video link; The moron who runs that website posted the following (but did leave the video up)…
Update: After it became clear that I was in the distinct minority in believing the video might not be a hoax, I started emailing around Alaska to see if I could find someone who knew what Todd Palin looked like in the mid-’90s. The aforementioned Andrew Halcro watched it and sent this response: “Not only fake but insulting.” I am a gullible dork.
What was the saying attributed to P.T. Barnum… ah, yes… “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
Chris
How much worse were they than the Weather Underground?
Hi Reayx5,
OK, the video is a hoax (I did write “allegedly” in the opening sentence).
But any mother who willingly subjects her 17 year old unmarried pregnant daughter to world-wide scrutiny in order to fulfill her political ambitions is a mother whose idea of “family values” is criminally distorted.
“There’s a sucker born every minute.” - David Hannum, not P.T. Barnum
It’s just interesting to me to watch the left pick apart this woman (and the right for the most part defending her) but I suppose it’s no worse than how Hilary has been picked apart (and defended). It’s early yet though, I suppose the attacks will get more substantial.
After this Labor Day weekend watching the news, I know more about Governor Sarah Palin than I do about Senator Joe Biden and I know more about the potential of Hurricane Gustav to destroy New Orleans than either one of them.
Apparently the Palins treat all such big decisions as family decisions, and it has to be unanimous. More here. So I’m going to need more solid proof that Sarah subjected Bristol to anything.
I’m not sure what it is about this woman that’s inspiring such righteous zeal, with such meager factual basis. Well, I’m not entirely sure…
And for a single reason: They’re both equally capable of ruining Obama’s chances.
Thank God our taxpayers’ dollars are going to Sex-Ed programs in the school…whoops! My bad! Bush actually took the money for abstinence only programs!! And that what Palin wants in the public schools, as well as creationism [sic]. And as we have seen with the 17 sophomore girls from Gloucester, MA….the abstinence programs are going swimmingly well.
But then again the MA teens don’t have moms as VP candidates, so I don’t know.
I found out this morning that Joe Biden’s daughter was arrested in August.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/727603/posts
In the past, I’ve seen her age listed as 27 and 21. Don’t know which is correct.
Looks like the media is staying “hands off” so far with this one.
Duh.
Guess I should look at the YEAR, not the month.
Sorry.
Anyone who partakes in the ritualized, lie filled attacks on the Palin children are the scum of the the earth.
And of the course the biggest cum are those who pass on these lies and then castigate Sarah Palin for “exposing” her children to those lies.
[Attack deleted. Please play nice. --The MGMT.]
Nothing is more frightening that going into labour a month early, and I find it VERY hard to believe that she would spend 10-12 hours travelling (consider having to get to the airport at leat an hour before a flight if she was in labour. HOWEVER, My water broke without me ever going into labour, and labour had to be induced the next day because my body showed no signs of getting itself ready. So while her water broke, there is a chance she wasn’t in labour, and therefore wasn’t entirely panicked. Did everyone assume that she was in labour because she said her water broke? TV makes it seem that way, but labour is rarely a linear series of stages.
P.S. I was totally on the boat with one at first, but then I remembered my own birthing experience, which I try to block due to it lasting 3 days and resulting in an emergency c-section.
haha. After reading all of Simon’s comments, all I can say is ‘zing!’
should there be a period after that single quotation mark?
that’s gonna bug me…
So when does the Bristol paparazzi crush start? would she sell the baby pictures to People magazine? Can she sing?
So having recently found out that the speaker of the house (3rd in line to the president, iirc) has five kids, that disqualifies her, too, from being president, according to my three-children-or-fewer rule. I wonder how many kids past presidents have had?
Washington: none! (well unless you count like america)
john adams: 5
Jefferson: only 2 of 6 survived longer than 3 years
Lincoln: 2 of 4 survived past 12
Teddy: 6, of which one was named KERMIT.
Wilson: 3
FDR: 5 survived
Truman: 1
… wow, okay, all I learned from that is hooray for advances in medical science. sourced from miller center at UVA.
Bruce,
“Ritualized”? Please give examples.
You complain about mysoginism and lack of class, and you turn around and call Pam *that* word?
Mmm. Pure class on your part; no nasty, gender-based comments there. [/sarcasm]
You might want to file this under “bad boys & girls”, simon. It’s almost as if mccain is throwing the election away on purpose, which if he is, it beats his service in Vietnam by about 100%. Now THAT’S looking out for the American ppl!
I don’t speak for Senator Obama when I ask questions or make comments just as I am sure no one making attacks on Democratic candidates speaks for Senator McCain. What got me caught up in this story is that it just seemed so bizarre, so soap opera-ish. It couldn’t be real? Could it? Yeah, she had a super flat stomach at 7 months but letting go now.
Obama has told everyone to back off Bristol. How is that misogynistic? No one here thinks a woman isn’t qualified to be VP. Just because I don’t like this woman’s views, doesn’t mean that I don’t think women can legislate. In fact, there are a number of more qualified women who I would love to vote for someday.
If you read the DailyKoz you would see that he has backed off the pregnancy story and is now focusing on her conduct in office and political views. Hopefully, everyone can return our brains to normal and just focus on the issues that voters should actually care about.
Wow, reading these posts is like a masterful short lesson in how things can fall apart online. Between political party alliance, gender difference, your views on family planning, and the overall “can we move on to real issues/why are you ignoring this” split of opinions, there’s no winning. This topic is going to hit at least one blind spot in people’s logical thinking if not more. Add to that the general “every opinion besides mine is wrong and everyone else is ignorant” bias that most online debate takes, and we’ve got one heck of a mess. There’s almost no way even the most clear-headed individual can navigate this one with calm, well-informed responses.
I take this chance to extend an online hug to everyone. This is an airing of everyone’s most hard-to-change opinions, and nobody is going to walk away happy from that. Hugs to Deceiver mods too- you’re getting it from all sides, ain’t ya?
Ya think?
http://theadventuresofsuperwife.com/
Oh boy. Sit down boys and girl…BP is NOT the first girl L has impregnanted!
“Bristol Palin IS pregnant?
“Posted by Molly on September 1st, 2008 filed in Politics Comment now »
Looks that way. Also, I guess this isn’t breaking news. Nobody bothered to ask any of the other high school students in Wasilla, because apparently it was common knowledge. What might not be common knowledge is that the dad got another girl pregnant in the 8th grade… iiiiinteresting. That’s good ol’ abstinence only education working hard! I guess having grown up in Wasilla is finally paying off with some good goss.”
I guess Sarah Palin chose her “Country First” when she decided to subject her daughter to the public’s scrutiny. And even if Bristol was “excited” about her mother running, that was not her decision to make. It was her parents’ decision and IMO they chose badly. And the thing is that Sarah Palin would be a perfect candidate to run under that party slogan, if only she was not a secessionist. (Alaska First)
BTW, I had my last baby 4 weeks early by the way and it was no big deal. I am also an athlete,did not gain that much weight, etc. I was back in my non-maternity jeans in less than one week. Everyone is different.
This choice for Veep is just an illustration of McCain’s crapshoot style of decision-making and does not bode well for our country should we be so foolish as to elect him. Obama just made it to 50%.
The other girl that L alledgedly impregnanted, did he marry her too? Did she even have his baby? If she did, is he paying child support? Enquiring minds want to know!
Rocko wrote: “There’s a sucker born every minute.” - David Hannum, not P.T. Barnum
My posting noted the saying was ATTRIBUTED to P.T. Barnum. Of course, you and I know that David Hannum was the originator of the phase. I’ll see you at the “Winter David Hannum Appreciation Convention” next month. I just got Peachtree Pam to buy four tickets.
Okay, if this wasn’t already there we just entered Jerry Springerville.
But wait, there’s more. I just heard on my local public radio station that Sarah Palin wanted to ban books and had the local librarian fired for not supporting her. She’s against Choice, polar bears and she is for Astinence Only, censorship and firing anyone who disagrees with her. Cheney? I think she is my worst nightmare. Actually that would be Rudy Giuliani(sp?) with her as Veep. Although McCain is getting pretty nutty with his win-AT-ALL-COSTS campaign, even at the expense of the country. I used to think he was pretty cool a few years ago. Sick at home so I will just kick back and wait for more Northern Exposures to develop.
Desperate House Wifes
I’ve just advised by the blogger at the superwife blog that she’s deleted her post about Levi. Apparently she’s had second thoughts about her initial post. I didn’t mean to cause anyone any distress.
I’m afraid though, that with the National Enquirer and other media hot on the Palin trail, that it may be a moot point.
Hey, maybe it’s because I’m Australian and I’m quite sure noone here uses that term but I don’t actually know what “mono” is.
What is it, please?
This is a serious post, by the way.
PS: Sarah Palin is actually quite pretty.
Mononucleosis.
Oh, ok, thankyou!
We call it “glandular fever” over here, that was the source of my confusion, I think.
Thankyou, Simon.
Face it, Obama is all hype. He has no substance. There’s not a Democrat in the world who can name even one Obama legislative accomplishment.
Sarah Palin isn’t even running for President and she is more accomplished than Obama. Obama is a ZERO. Look at his record. Or better yet, watch Democrats try to answer the question: “Name just ONE Obama accomplishment.”
It’s funny… AND scary!!
Open each of the following video links in a separate [new] tab so you can view each one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
Official Obama Campaign Representative can NOT name ONE Obama accomplishment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgXPVmlXKQI&feature=related
Obama Campaigners can not list ONE Obama accomplishment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkZ1DQeOSVQ
Obama Supporters do not know why they support Obama.
“…i loved how she tried to twist it into some great news. she is seriously despicable.”
Right-on, Katie. They should have demanded Bristol immediately suction that baby right out of her body into a sink and flushed it!
What despicable people. Defending life and everything.
O-Busted: Selective Service Requirement Did Not Exist When Obama Says He Registered
It remains whether this turns out to be Barack Obama’s “Christmas in Cambodia” untruth, his Dukakis-in-tank hilarity — or both.
Regardless, what follows is a pretty obvious “misstatement” that would not possibly be ignored if it were uttered by a conservative or a Republican.
In his hilariously titled post (”Mighta Joined If He Coulda Capped Some Cong”) on Barack Obama’s interview in a barn this morning (not kidding) on This Week with Georage Stephanopoulos, fellow NewsBuster Mark Finkelstein reported on Obama’s answer to a viewer’s question about whether he ever considered military service. You can read Mark’s post for his overall thoughts, but I want to focus on something the Illinois senator said that several commenters at the post took exception to:
You know, I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. …. But keep in mind: I graduated in 1979.
There are only two “little” problems:
Selective Service Registration was not possible in 1979.
Bob Owens at Pajamas Media noted that Obama registered with the Selective Service with an effective date of September 4, 1980.
The Wikipedia entry on Obama’s early life agrees with the candidate’s memor of when he graduated (other verification will be obtaned after this post goes up):
Obama returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School, a private college preparatory school, from the fifth grade until his graduation in 1979.
Wiki’s Selective Service entry says the following about the registration requirements at the time:
On March 25, 1975, Pres. Gerald Ford signed Proclamation 4360, Terminating Registration Procedures Under Military Selective Service Act, eliminating the registration requirement for all 18-25 year old male citizens. Then on July 2, 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18-26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960. Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration. The first registrations after Proclamation 4771 took place on Monday, July 21, 1980, for those men born in January, February and March 1960 at U.S. Post Offices. Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays were reserved for men born in the later quarters of the year, and registration for men born in 1961 began the following week.
Obama could not have registered upon graduation from high school as he claimed. His actually registered occurred roughly 45 days after the first post-Proclamation 4771 registrations took place in 1980.
Obama’s statement, that “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school,” is inarguably false.
Further, the correct timeline casts serious doubt on what Obama said between the ellipsed segments of the first excerpt above:
And I was growing up in Hawaii, and I had friend whose parents were in the military, there were a lot of Army, military bases there. And I always actually thought of the military as some ennobling and honorable option.
More likely: He signed up when he did because he had to. Nothing more, nothing less.
This would appear to be yet another example of resume enhancement.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
—Tom Blumer is president of a training and development company in Mason, Ohio, and is a contributing editor to NewsBusters