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	<title>Comments on: Slash Accuses Modern Artists of &#8216;Selling Out&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/10/slash-accuses-modern-artists-of-selling-out/comment-page-1/#comment-13117</link>
		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude Slash at one point lived in a public storage shack.  He paid dues so you can&#039;t accuse him of selling out.  And he didn&#039;t sell out to MTV or VH1 by doing that ridiculous singer search show, I don&#039;t know the name of it beacuse i don&#039;t watch crap TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude Slash at one point lived in a public storage shack.  He paid dues so you can&#8217;t accuse him of selling out.  And he didn&#8217;t sell out to MTV or VH1 by doing that ridiculous singer search show, I don&#8217;t know the name of it beacuse i don&#8217;t watch crap TV.</p>
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		<title>By: LiveGoat</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/10/slash-accuses-modern-artists-of-selling-out/comment-page-1/#comment-10448</link>
		<dc:creator>LiveGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all the kids on here who are misusing the word &quot;sellout&quot;: When someone says &quot;sellout&quot; what they mean is that the artist in question is liscensing their music out willy-nilly to any linsey lohan movie or microsoft viral that comes along. Being paid for performing and providing your music in a format (cyber or otherwise) for sale to the public is NOT considered selling out. That&#039;s considered doing honest work for honest pay. When Jim Morrison found out that Ray Manzarick sold Light my Fire to be used in a commercial he went ballistic. Sadly those days are gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the kids on here who are misusing the word &#8220;sellout&#8221;: When someone says &#8220;sellout&#8221; what they mean is that the artist in question is liscensing their music out willy-nilly to any linsey lohan movie or microsoft viral that comes along. Being paid for performing and providing your music in a format (cyber or otherwise) for sale to the public is NOT considered selling out. That&#8217;s considered doing honest work for honest pay. When Jim Morrison found out that Ray Manzarick sold Light my Fire to be used in a commercial he went ballistic. Sadly those days are gone.</p>
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		<title>By: phoenixrising</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/10/slash-accuses-modern-artists-of-selling-out/comment-page-1/#comment-10442</link>
		<dc:creator>phoenixrising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think G&#039;N&#039;R did turn the music scene around back in the late &#039;80s, in that they were a dirty, rude, messed-up antidote to the hair bands around at the time.  And from what I&#039;ve read about them, they paid their dues, in that they did get ripped off, sleep in the van, live in warehouses and all that stuff.  I guess, too, looking at their history, they did mostly do things on their own terms - well, actually, on Axl&#039;s terms, until that got too much (finally) and they left him to it.

I guess what he means is that they were more &quot;old-school&quot;, in that they didn&#039;t sell their songs to a jeans manufacturer, tie their album in with i-Tunes or a Sunday newspaper, advertise hairdye or cosmetics (although they probably could&#039;ve), or any of the multi-media synergy that goes on now.  On the other hand, neither were they particularly against the business side of things - if you want to see a good example of that, check out Fugazi and Ian McKay.  This is a band that&#039;s never &quot;sold out&quot; - no major label contract, ticket prices under $5, no Ticketmaster or iTunes involvement ... There&#039;s a moral cohesion there that I admire, but it comes at a cost.  No McMansion for Ian.  I&#039;m not particularly saying that one is better than another, just that it is possible not to &quot;sell out&quot;.  Up to a point, for Mr Hudson;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think G&#8217;N'R did turn the music scene around back in the late &#8217;80s, in that they were a dirty, rude, messed-up antidote to the hair bands around at the time.  And from what I&#8217;ve read about them, they paid their dues, in that they did get ripped off, sleep in the van, live in warehouses and all that stuff.  I guess, too, looking at their history, they did mostly do things on their own terms &#8211; well, actually, on Axl&#8217;s terms, until that got too much (finally) and they left him to it.</p>
<p>I guess what he means is that they were more &#8220;old-school&#8221;, in that they didn&#8217;t sell their songs to a jeans manufacturer, tie their album in with i-Tunes or a Sunday newspaper, advertise hairdye or cosmetics (although they probably could&#8217;ve), or any of the multi-media synergy that goes on now.  On the other hand, neither were they particularly against the business side of things &#8211; if you want to see a good example of that, check out Fugazi and Ian McKay.  This is a band that&#8217;s never &#8220;sold out&#8221; &#8211; no major label contract, ticket prices under $5, no Ticketmaster or iTunes involvement &#8230; There&#8217;s a moral cohesion there that I admire, but it comes at a cost.  No McMansion for Ian.  I&#8217;m not particularly saying that one is better than another, just that it is possible not to &#8220;sell out&#8221;.  Up to a point, for Mr Hudson;)</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/10/slash-accuses-modern-artists-of-selling-out/comment-page-1/#comment-10338</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Slash isn&#039;t an official member anymore, so I doubt GNR are getting any money for him being on the cover.

If Axl wants money why doesn&#039;t he, oh, I don&#039;t know... release Chinese Democracy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Slash isn&#8217;t an official member anymore, so I doubt GNR are getting any money for him being on the cover.</p>
<p>If Axl wants money why doesn&#8217;t he, oh, I don&#8217;t know&#8230; release Chinese Democracy?</p>
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		<title>By: semaphore</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/10/slash-accuses-modern-artists-of-selling-out/comment-page-1/#comment-10318</link>
		<dc:creator>semaphore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure that all he&#039;s saying is that there&#039;s a difference between making it big on your own merits and then &#039;selling out&#039;, and &#039;selling out&#039; straight away in an attempt to get big. Which I think is a fair point, although I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessarily a modern phenomenon. And I think the quote makes it clear that he was hesitant to use the words &#039;selling out&#039;, presumably &#039;cause he knows that he&#039;s sold out now himself and that some people would think that makes his argument weaker (which I don&#039;t, but obviously a lot of commenters do).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that all he&#8217;s saying is that there&#8217;s a difference between making it big on your own merits and then &#8217;selling out&#8217;, and &#8217;selling out&#8217; straight away in an attempt to get big. Which I think is a fair point, although I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessarily a modern phenomenon. And I think the quote makes it clear that he was hesitant to use the words &#8217;selling out&#8217;, presumably &#8217;cause he knows that he&#8217;s sold out now himself and that some people would think that makes his argument weaker (which I don&#8217;t, but obviously a lot of commenters do).</p>
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		<title>By: Trompi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trompi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no mention anywhere of Slash performing with anyone for FREE, I highly doubt he &#039;s just at the show and it asked to come up spontaneously.  These things are planned, and his guitarist skills are payed for, sure he may actually like her or he may like the money her record company pays him.  Maybe he&#039;s partially deaf after all these years of rocking? Hehe, that would explain how he could stand her warbling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no mention anywhere of Slash performing with anyone for FREE, I highly doubt he &#8217;s just at the show and it asked to come up spontaneously.  These things are planned, and his guitarist skills are payed for, sure he may actually like her or he may like the money her record company pays him.  Maybe he&#8217;s partially deaf after all these years of rocking? Hehe, that would explain how he could stand her warbling.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/10/slash-accuses-modern-artists-of-selling-out/comment-page-1/#comment-10306</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But even if he did the thing with Fergie for free, AND he&#039;s perfectly happy with his deal with guitar hero, that still makes him a guy who&#039;s whining about how modern artists are selling out after happily lending his image to a faux-music video game.

And he did that for a bit more cash than free.  

So how is it not hypocritical of him to bitch about other artists when he&#039;s happily doing the same thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But even if he did the thing with Fergie for free, AND he&#8217;s perfectly happy with his deal with guitar hero, that still makes him a guy who&#8217;s whining about how modern artists are selling out after happily lending his image to a faux-music video game.</p>
<p>And he did that for a bit more cash than free.  </p>
<p>So how is it not hypocritical of him to bitch about other artists when he&#8217;s happily doing the same thing?</p>
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		<title>By: llamasrule</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/10/slash-accuses-modern-artists-of-selling-out/comment-page-1/#comment-10300</link>
		<dc:creator>llamasrule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Trompi, it seems your comprehension skills are on a par with Bruce&#039;s.  I said Slash was not the one sueing the video game industry.  Not even lawyers for Slash, directly.  Not even on his behalf.  Warner Music Group wants more money for Warner Music Group, not any of the artists they represent.  The article said Slash has sour grapes.  On the contrary, he is happy with his arrangement with the video game people.  

As to Fergie, I don&#039;t know.  I don&#039;t listen to that crap.  But a quick google will confirm that he was at her show and she asked him to come on stage and he did.  He gets around the music scene and generally is known for going on stage with just about everybody from Lenny Kravitz to Aerosmith to Michael Jackson and get this,  he does it for FREEEEEEE. 

But thanks for caring Trompi.  You&#039;re entitled to your opinion but stay off my ass.  Slash might like her, even if no one else does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Trompi, it seems your comprehension skills are on a par with Bruce&#8217;s.  I said Slash was not the one sueing the video game industry.  Not even lawyers for Slash, directly.  Not even on his behalf.  Warner Music Group wants more money for Warner Music Group, not any of the artists they represent.  The article said Slash has sour grapes.  On the contrary, he is happy with his arrangement with the video game people.  </p>
<p>As to Fergie, I don&#8217;t know.  I don&#8217;t listen to that crap.  But a quick google will confirm that he was at her show and she asked him to come on stage and he did.  He gets around the music scene and generally is known for going on stage with just about everybody from Lenny Kravitz to Aerosmith to Michael Jackson and get this,  he does it for FREEEEEEE. </p>
<p>But thanks for caring Trompi.  You&#8217;re entitled to your opinion but stay off my ass.  Slash might like her, even if no one else does.</p>
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		<title>By: phoenix</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/10/slash-accuses-modern-artists-of-selling-out/comment-page-1/#comment-10297</link>
		<dc:creator>phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is Deceiver &quot;weak&quot; for this story?  They aren&#039;t the ones who started throwing around selling out comments.  Even if slash isn&#039;t the one whining about not making enough money off Guitar Hero, he surely had to give his consent to be featured in it.  And I&#039;m guessing he was paid for it.  Much like the Fergie performancel  Meaning he still should be careful about throwing around sell-out jibes.

Just because perhaps one instance of his being hypocritical might not be as direct doesn&#039;t invalidate the other reasons he shouldn&#039;t throw stones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is Deceiver &#8220;weak&#8221; for this story?  They aren&#8217;t the ones who started throwing around selling out comments.  Even if slash isn&#8217;t the one whining about not making enough money off Guitar Hero, he surely had to give his consent to be featured in it.  And I&#8217;m guessing he was paid for it.  Much like the Fergie performancel  Meaning he still should be careful about throwing around sell-out jibes.</p>
<p>Just because perhaps one instance of his being hypocritical might not be as direct doesn&#8217;t invalidate the other reasons he shouldn&#8217;t throw stones.</p>
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		<title>By: Celebs Inside &#124; “The inevitable Kanye video surfaces” links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celebs Inside &#124; “The inevitable Kanye video surfaces” links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] says current artists are ‘Selling Out.&#8217; This from the guy on the cover of a Guitar Hero [Deceiver] - Emmanuelle Chriqui is beyond gorgeous at &#8220;The Lucky Ones&#8221; premiere in Toronto [The [...]</description>
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