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	<title>Comments on: Ben Lee Has Groupies, Groupers</title>
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	<description>The two-faced and famous have something new to worry about.</description>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-34030</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one in the celebrity world seems to understand what a &quot;vegetarian&quot; or a &quot;vegan&quot; is. I offer the following primer:

Vegetarians do not eat meat but allow food and items made with animal by-products (dairy, leather, etc.). Meat includes ANY living animal whose body is consumed as food, whether in part or whole, raw or prepared, alive or dead. Basically, if you eat ANYTHING with a brain or brain-like organ, it would count as meat.

Vegans not only refuse to eat meat but also believe that animal-based products and services are &quot;exploitative&quot; of the animals in question even if the animals were not killed in the process. Thus, vegans are against such diverse things as butter, cashmere, Jell-O, animal testing, and horse-drawn carriages (for example). 

Can we print this out into a pamphlet and give it to these people? I&#039;m not sure they&#039;re ever going to get the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one in the celebrity world seems to understand what a &#8220;vegetarian&#8221; or a &#8220;vegan&#8221; is. I offer the following primer:</p>
<p>Vegetarians do not eat meat but allow food and items made with animal by-products (dairy, leather, etc.). Meat includes ANY living animal whose body is consumed as food, whether in part or whole, raw or prepared, alive or dead. Basically, if you eat ANYTHING with a brain or brain-like organ, it would count as meat.</p>
<p>Vegans not only refuse to eat meat but also believe that animal-based products and services are &#8220;exploitative&#8221; of the animals in question even if the animals were not killed in the process. Thus, vegans are against such diverse things as butter, cashmere, Jell-O, animal testing, and horse-drawn carriages (for example). </p>
<p>Can we print this out into a pamphlet and give it to these people? I&#8217;m not sure they&#8217;re ever going to get the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Bek</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-20657</link>
		<dc:creator>Bek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*smacks forehead*...and I do have a tendency to repeat words...actually...*rolls eyes at self*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*smacks forehead*&#8230;and I do have a tendency to repeat words&#8230;actually&#8230;*rolls eyes at self*</p>
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		<title>By: Bek</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-20656</link>
		<dc:creator>Bek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be actually on the topic of the article...a vege that eats fish would actually be called a pescatarian.

Anybody for a nice barra filet and chips?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be actually on the topic of the article&#8230;a vege that eats fish would actually be called a pescatarian.</p>
<p>Anybody for a nice barra filet and chips?</p>
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		<title>By: Josie</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-11038</link>
		<dc:creator>Josie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So long and thanks for all the fish?

I&#039;m not good with puns. &gt;&lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So long and thanks for all the fish?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not good with puns. &gt;&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: Fortunate Son</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-10992</link>
		<dc:creator>Fortunate Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon Whistlebait.  Everyone else immediately dismissed you. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, listened to your argument and disproved it.  

I investigated the most legitimate source you could provide and informed you that ConsumerDeception.com and Peta.com are owned, built, and run by the same people.

Feel free to continue your delusion alone, but as opposed to &quot;irking&quot; me, you have my complete blessing to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon Whistlebait.  Everyone else immediately dismissed you. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, listened to your argument and disproved it.  </p>
<p>I investigated the most legitimate source you could provide and informed you that ConsumerDeception.com and Peta.com are owned, built, and run by the same people.</p>
<p>Feel free to continue your delusion alone, but as opposed to &#8220;irking&#8221; me, you have my complete blessing to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Whistlebait</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-10960</link>
		<dc:creator>Whistlebait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is hilarious to me, because not ONCE did I EVER claim to have a &quot;legitimate&quot; source. I even specifically referred to it as simply a source and not a legitimate source because it happened to be something I found in a 5 minute google search after trying to find out more info about peta kills animals. You clearly assumed that I was sourcing something legitimate, and well you know what they say about people who assume things. 

If anyone&#039;s seriously listening to someone named Whistlebait for the ultimate truth on these matters, THEY have issues, not me. Also, I remain unconvinced, but now it&#039;s simply because it clearly seems to irk you so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is hilarious to me, because not ONCE did I EVER claim to have a &#8220;legitimate&#8221; source. I even specifically referred to it as simply a source and not a legitimate source because it happened to be something I found in a 5 minute google search after trying to find out more info about peta kills animals. You clearly assumed that I was sourcing something legitimate, and well you know what they say about people who assume things. </p>
<p>If anyone&#8217;s seriously listening to someone named Whistlebait for the ultimate truth on these matters, THEY have issues, not me. Also, I remain unconvinced, but now it&#8217;s simply because it clearly seems to irk you so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Shell</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-10938</link>
		<dc:creator>Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My deepest egrets.&quot;

Well, just don&#039;t carp on about it.
Fins will get batter around here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My deepest egrets.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, just don&#8217;t carp on about it.<br />
Fins will get batter around here.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Scowl</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-10917</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Scowl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are a barrel of laughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are a barrel of laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: Fortunate Son</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-10906</link>
		<dc:creator>Fortunate Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say your PetaKillsAnimals is funded by Phillip Morris myth is completely busted Whistlebait.

I&#039;m not going to tell you how all my secrets, but I am 100% certain that Peta.com and your &#039;legitimate&#039; source ConsumerDeception.com are one and the same.

Not only is it not a legitimate source (and I even allowed you High School Newspapers), its someone with an axe to grind, its sworn enemy.

While this is not how I determined this, here&#039;s five times as many collaborating details as you need to prove Peta.com and ConsumerDeception.com (your &#039;legitimate&#039; source) are built by the same people.

When I trace the IP address, every IP hop (and there are at least 7) for these two sites is identical, meaning they are not only hosted by the same company, they are probably on the same server if not the same directory.  I used a different service, but this one will work just as well.

http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=trace&amp;host=peta.com
http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=trace&amp;host=consumerdeception.com

They registered both names from the same office using the:
1.  The same proxy service, Internap
2.  Both registered the domain using GoDaddy.com
3.  Both host their websites on Hedgehog.net, and both even use the same nameserver.

whois query for consumerdeception.com...
Results returned from whois.internic.net:
   Domain Name: CONSUMERDECEPTION.COM
   Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
   Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
   Name Server: NS-A.PNAP.NET
   Name Server: NS-B.PNAP.NET
   Name Server: NS-C.PNAP.NET
   Name Server: NS-D.PNAP.NET
   Name Server: NS1.HEDGEHOGHOSTING.NET
   Name Server: NS2.HEDGEHOGHOSTING.NET

whois query for peta.com...
   Domain Name: PETA.COM
   Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
   Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
   Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
   Name Server: NS-A.PNAP.NET
   Name Server: NS-B.PNAP.NET
   Name Server: NS-C.PNAP.NET
   Name Server: NS-D.PNAP.NET
   Name Server: NS1.HEDGEHOGHOSTING.NET
   Name Server: NS2.HEDGEHOGHOSTING.NET
   Status: clientDeleteProhibited
   Status: clientRenewProhibited
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Status: clientUpdateProhibited
   Updated Date: 13-jul-2006
   Creation Date: 01-may-1997
   Expiration Date: 02-may-2012</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say your PetaKillsAnimals is funded by Phillip Morris myth is completely busted Whistlebait.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to tell you how all my secrets, but I am 100% certain that Peta.com and your &#8216;legitimate&#8217; source ConsumerDeception.com are one and the same.</p>
<p>Not only is it not a legitimate source (and I even allowed you High School Newspapers), its someone with an axe to grind, its sworn enemy.</p>
<p>While this is not how I determined this, here&#8217;s five times as many collaborating details as you need to prove Peta.com and ConsumerDeception.com (your &#8216;legitimate&#8217; source) are built by the same people.</p>
<p>When I trace the IP address, every IP hop (and there are at least 7) for these two sites is identical, meaning they are not only hosted by the same company, they are probably on the same server if not the same directory.  I used a different service, but this one will work just as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=trace&amp;host=peta.com" rel="nofollow">http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=trace&amp;host=peta.com</a><br />
<a href="http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=trace&amp;host=consumerdeception.com" rel="nofollow">http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=trace&amp;host=consumerdeception.com</a></p>
<p>They registered both names from the same office using the:<br />
1.  The same proxy service, Internap<br />
2.  Both registered the domain using GoDaddy.com<br />
3.  Both host their websites on Hedgehog.net, and both even use the same nameserver.</p>
<p>whois query for consumerdeception.com&#8230;<br />
Results returned from whois.internic.net:<br />
   Domain Name: CONSUMERDECEPTION.COM<br />
   Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.<br />
   Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com<br />
   Referral URL: <a href="http://registrar.godaddy.com" rel="nofollow">http://registrar.godaddy.com</a><br />
   Name Server: NS-A.PNAP.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS-B.PNAP.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS-C.PNAP.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS-D.PNAP.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS1.HEDGEHOGHOSTING.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS2.HEDGEHOGHOSTING.NET</p>
<p>whois query for peta.com&#8230;<br />
   Domain Name: PETA.COM<br />
   Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.<br />
   Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com<br />
   Referral URL: <a href="http://registrar.godaddy.com" rel="nofollow">http://registrar.godaddy.com</a><br />
   Name Server: NS-A.PNAP.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS-B.PNAP.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS-C.PNAP.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS-D.PNAP.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS1.HEDGEHOGHOSTING.NET<br />
   Name Server: NS2.HEDGEHOGHOSTING.NET<br />
   Status: clientDeleteProhibited<br />
   Status: clientRenewProhibited<br />
   Status: clientTransferProhibited<br />
   Status: clientUpdateProhibited<br />
   Updated Date: 13-jul-2006<br />
   Creation Date: 01-may-1997<br />
   Expiration Date: 02-may-2012</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://deceiver.com/2008/09/23/ben-lee-has-groupies-groupers/comment-page-1/#comment-10900</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fish puns are krilling me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fish puns are krilling me!</p>
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