Can’t believe this one almost passed us by: Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher went on Hannity & Colmes last week after the election and — surprise! — it turns out he was once on the dole.
The transcript of the progressively hostile conversation (the fact that it’s from Fox News makes it way more interesting):
Alan Colmes: You don’t think [Obama]’s loyal to our country?
Joe Wurzelbacher: To what, to democracy? Yeah he got democratically elected but he’s proposing a lot of changes that could change the core of America, don’t you think?
Alan Colmes: Well he may propose changes and maybe you don’t even agree with the changes but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t love his country. When you question someone’s loyalty to America, you’re really questioning whether they’re a good American. You’re questioning whether they’re patriotic. Is that the kind of dialogue we want to have in this country right now?
Joe Wurzelbacher: Didn’t Joe Biden say it was patriotic to take my money and give it to other people? That’s patriotism too?
Alan Colmes: Well, let me ask, you were on welfare once, was that taking somebody else’s money and giving it to you?
Joe Wurzelbacher: Paid into welfare. It’s something to be used, not to be abused like it often is … It goes against my principles. I stand firmly on those. Taking someone else’s hard earned money and putting it into my pocket — that’s just stealing, man.
Makes for an interesting argument against “redistribution of wealth,” no? He’s also previously credited welfare with giving his family a leg up from poverty. And his parents received welfare “a couple different times.”
Once his fifteen minutes are up (and really, we’re at sixteen minutes and counting at this point), there’s always Dancing With The Stars.
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I can out dance him. I guarantee it. They don’t call me “Sugar Shoes” for nothing.
I do not understand why anybody hates this guy.
Were Hannity & Colmes hard up for guests? I mean, seriously, I know that Joe the Plumber was an amusing footnote in this election, but weren’t his fifteen minutes up once the votes were counted?
Though it is amusing that he was on welfare, and even though I can understand the point he was making about not abusing the system, how can you not laugh? Redistribution of wealth, indeed.
On the dole, heh? Is that how you describe all those ‘poor’ blacks and hispanics ON the dole? I Understand why he’s hated so much. I understand why Sarah Palin is hated so much. They’re conservative. Whatever they do is to be criticized regardless of how the left acts. Anyone that captures the imagination of the right, MUST BE DESTROYED.
I don’t know about the state of Ohio, but in Washington, TANF (Temporary Aid to Needy Families) is $330 a month plus food stamps. That would be for single women with children. It has a lifetime limit of 3 or 5 years (can’t remember exactly) and while on TANF, the woman has to attend classes that are focused on making her employable. If they miss one or two of those classes because they are sick or their kids are sick, they get docked, sometimes losing their entire monthly benefit. It’s a bit of a catch-22 for women to get off TANF because, at least here, they lose their childcare benefits. My husband and I make pretty good money but, man, part time child care takes a huge chunk out of our budget.
Anyone else would either have to be physically or mentally disabled, so much so that they couldn’t work, in order to be eligible for their $330. Yes, people do abuse DSHS benefits and that is pretty frustrating but the majority don’t and they don’t make a hell of a lot of money milking the system.
He questioned you know who. That’s why. Plain and simple.
He is so dumb and why is the press talking to him, hes not event a plumber.
Simon, the guy became a symbol by just asking simple question Obama had difficulty to answer. With the lack of drive in the McCain/Palin camp during the last elections, the guy became a symbol without trying.
But the truth is; time’s up for Mr. Wurzelbacher. I hope they will not start a Reality-TV show around him.
Joe didn’t bring it up. Obama did.
Everybody please stop for a minute and realize: you’re talking about a plumber. He’s not in the news because of what he asked, but because of how Obama answered. He’s been investigated by the government and demonized by the media. Is this really how we’re going to treat people who ask questions of our leaders?
The left was saying for the last eight years that those who “spoke truth to power” would be punished. I guess they were right.
This whole welfare thing is kind of a scam anyway. You can buy a fountain drink sans straw with paywest (Wyoming Welfare as it were) If you put a straw in it you can’t-it’s considered prepared food. I worked at a convienience store for a while and people would plunk the overpriced and crummy food on the counter and pay w paywest. Then they would pay cash for ciggarettes.
of course PinandPuller and I used to be able to get foodstamps for $0.30 on the dollar. It’s funny how we tolerate a little socialism but because we won’t to avoid we don’t it correclty. QB is right when you are on it they will give you daycare and a check, as soon as you are working they pull it all 100%. It really should be done in stages so that those who getting on their feet stay on there feet. One of the things are taxes go to is to help people in need so haranguing Joe for using the system that is in place seems wrong.
I didn’t follow Joe the Plumber, by then the election had me so beaten down that I couldn’t seem to care.
I think the ratio of tough questions asked of Joe the Plumber vs. tough questions asked of Obama are 1000 to 1.
What kind of country triesdso hard to demolish someone because they asked a tough question of someone who came to their home unasked?
A fascist one is the answer. E
xpect people to be jailed for asking The One tough questions — while at the same time terrorists will get off on technicalities and wander free to do what they like.
” hes not event a plumber”
He is a plumber, just not a licensed one.
On the other hand, most reporters are unlicensed too — and they are not journalists either.
“Everybody please stop for a minute and realize: you’re talking about a plumber. He’s not in the news because of what he asked, but because of how Obama answered. He’s been investigated by the government and demonized by the media. Is this really how we’re going to treat people who ask questions of our leaders?”
Simon, that’s not quite fair. Plenty of people questioned Obama, McCain, Palin, and Biden over the course of their campaigns, and they weren’t publicised to any extent. Not-Joe the Non-Plumber has remained in the media because he showed up at numerous political rallies, appeared on Fox News several times, has since mentioned that he’s attempting a career as a country singer, and set up and publicized a “Democratic Watchdog” website. He was originally thrust into the limelight through McCain’s repeated use of the “Joe the Plumber” meme during one of the debates, and I actually felt a bit sorry for him at that point. Since that time, however, I don’t think he’s said “no” to a single interview. He has acted like a celebrity, and has therefore opened himself up to being treated like one – for better or for worse.
Wrong. He’s famous because the media and the government dug into his personal life. They’ve taken away his ability to make a living doing what he was doing before they attacked him.
No Simon, you are wrong. His ability to make a living was taken away because he lied about his credentials. Would you allow a fake doctor to operate on your loved ones? Would you let a life guard design your home? It was the right who made him the everyman face of their campaign and placed him in a position where scrutiny would be inevitable. He tried desperately to trip Obama up and in return his own party f*cked him in the ass.
As KG stated before he is making the most of his opportunities and as a non American have absolutely no sympathy for anyone trying out a career in Country music (it’s just wrong – stop it now). To blame the media when this guy has his tongue lodged up the nearest cameraman’s ass is ridiculous.
“He is a plumber, just not a licensed one.”
In Illinois a self employed independent plumber needs to be licensed. The second that guy goes to work for a bigger plumbing company, say, Big Al’s Plumbing, he no longer needs to be licensed. He works under their license.
Unless you called an independent guy, the last time you had to call a plumber, chances are he wasn’t “licensed”. At least here in Illinois.
@Simon – how did the government dig into his life. Sorry I have been living in a hole when it comes to this story but now you have my interest. Can you supply links?
KG has a good point. Had it not been for McCain bringing him up incessantly during the final debate, no one would know his name. Sure, there was a media pigpile after those 17 mentions, but has anyone seen this guy complain about the attention? Joe seems perfectly content to go on SNL, CNN, Fox News, etc. and give his opinion to anyone who asks for it. He’s an unlikely icon but he seems to be relishing the spotlight.
It’s appropriate and good for people to question our leaders. You’re right, Scowl. He has the right to question Obama motives, but it’s silly of a man who has been on welfare to think he deserves it because he paid into it. A man who has outstanding taxes to pay. If he’s going to question the motives of the Obama administration, he should make himself credible first by not ridiculing the same system of “redistribution” from which he himself was able to benefit.
Here ya go D—-
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/276707.php
Just type Helen Jones-Kelley Joe Plumber into Google and you get 60,000 results. She may not be a Fed but I bet stories like this would make you think twice before asking “The Chosen One” a question.
What’s in YOUR background?
Okay. Big deal, he was on welfare. The bigger deal is he got out of the system. It did what it was supposed to do. It helped someone when they needed help, and they were able to move forward.
Only half-witts make sweeping judgments about the “other” side. There are, and you all must admit it, positives about both major parties. There are also negatives about both parties. (It just depends on your views as to what is positives or negarives.) The election, unfortunately, is over….move on.
Simon’s right. He got dragged into the mud for simply asking The Messiah a fair question. None of us are angels. If the camera aims at us the wrong way and we question the wrong people, all of those credit card bills you forgot to pay, the catfight you had in high school, the wet t-shirt contest in South Padre Island, the time you were fired for photocopying your butt, and other calamties are going to come out. Welcome to the politics of personal destruction.
Can we hear more about the wet t-shirt contest in South Padre Island?
Was Joe a contestant?
Well, I was young and dumb once, and Spring break had arrived…
oh, I think he is talking to you, Strawberry
KG wrote: “I don’t think he’s said “no” to a single interview. He has acted like a celebrity…”
I live in the same media market as Joe, same local television, newspapers, and radio. I’ve seen him on national news but he’s played it pretty cool with local media. If he was really out to be a celebrity, I’d be seeing him everyday in everyway. After the initial weeklong burst of national interest, he has said no to almost everybody but CNN (until they pissed him off) and Fox (seems to be well received there).
I did hear him call into my radio station of choice several times, but only when he was the topic of conversation and he called in as a listener to defend himself. Even then, he was very brief and you could tell he wasn’t in it for the spotlight.
He has turned down multiple offers locally where people wanted to set up legal defense funds for him. He’s considering suing Ohio for 3 blatently illegal probes. He not only turns down the money each time but he offers up several charities “who really could use the money”. I think his new website is an attempt to channel local generosity into something useful.
KG is also wrong: “[Joe] has since mentioned that he’s attempting a career as a country singer, and set up and publicized a “Democratic Watchdog” website.”
Joe said in one radio call mentioned above that he plays guitar badly and can’t carry a tune. He didn’t know how that country music rumor started but “it’s funny as hell.”
KG is also confused about the meaning of Democratic. It doesn’t always refer to the party with a jackass mascot. Sometimes it refers to the government with jackasses in it. http://www.secureourdream.com/pages/we_the_people.html
PASTA is right: In Ohio and Michigan (Joe has plumbed in both states) you do not need to be a licensed plumber to be a plumber. His boss carries the license for the entire shop and had at one point 14 unlicensed under-plumbers responding to daily plumbing calls.
JAKE is wrong: “Simon, you are wrong. His ability to make a living was taken away because he lied about his credentials.”
Joe lost his job because SE Michigan and NE Ohio are going through a depression (not a recession) right now. This is the heart of automotive country. GM, Ford, and Chrysler are in the process of getting rid of 2/3 of their staff before December 31. We’ve had about 10 plants close, almost every remaining plant is slated to get rid of shifts, engineers are being offered termination packages en masse. Independant automotive suppiers have been going under for the past 2 years now.
Drive through this area and you’ll see 1 in 5 homes with sale signs out front, most have been foreclosed upon. Another 2 of those 5 homes would be for sale if the owners thought they could get out without loosing their shirts. On my road alone, 3 homes are currently foreclosed, not because the owners couldn’t make payments but because they’d left the state for another job and the house hadn’t sold, even at a drastically reduced price, after 2 years.
It varies in severity from town to town between Joe’s town and mine, but one thing is consistent: it’s a mess around here. THIS is why Joe lost his job. Downsizing. Fewer home owners with money, fewer calls for plumbers.
Minnow – thanks for the local insight. As with most stories picked up by the national media, they seem to take on a life of their own.
Not a problem, Queen Bee.
It’s easy to sit on my ass and make local observations.
Wowzers! I’m now a journalist!!!!
Your credulity is matched only by your lack of discernment. You are going after a plumber. Based on rumors. Please get ahold of yourself.
Like this. Do you want that to be you next time? For asking a politician a question?
Yes, I’m sure he “relishes” having every aspect of his life “vetted,” and being demonized by a bunch of people who still can’t deal with the fact that their candidate won. He dared to question Obama and must not be allowed to forget it. What a joy.
Thanks for bringing some facts into it, Minnow, although I’m sure it’s futile.
Scowl -
“He dared to question Obama and must not be allowed to forget it. What a joy.”
It’s a shame that he’s being treated this way, but again, to complain about spreading the wealth he really ought to not be on welfare or owe back taxes. Sure, he’s constitutionally guaranteed the right to complain regardless, but it’s not credible this way. Also, if he’s allowed to go on Fox News and continue to talk about the subject matter, surely we’re allowed to talk about it here on the big bag internets. He’s not a demon, but he’s not a saint that no one should talk about negatively, either. Both McCain and Obama are guilty of trying to use Joe to their political advantage. It’s McCain’s fault as much as it is Obama’s.
(For the record, no one I know personally who has supported Obama has ragged on Joe in conversations with me. It’s never even come up.)
You have got to be kidding me. The guy wants to make a better life for himself, but he shouldn’t ask if the millionaire is going to make that harder to do. Because he’s been down on his luck. He should remember his place. That’s right up there with Martha Stewart telling us all to “suck it up.”
No. I’m not telling him to suck it up at all. If he’s down on his luck and the system can help him? Super. I’m delighted. I really, really am. He shouldn’t be criticizing a system that he’s made use of, though, or calling the system of a way of stealing his hard earned cash when it’s other people’s cash that has helped him before. He shouldn’t be the only one to benefit from the system, and he shouldn’t be upset when other people do. I don’t think you’re catching my point.
Simon,you’ve got a point even if I totally disagree with you. But people need to realize this isn’t the “suppression of the conservatives for questioning authority” they make it out to be. He wasn’t thrown in jail for questioning Obama, he became a media icon based on his interaction with a politician and he hasn’t exactly backed away from it. Bad judgment call on his part? Yes. Is he a figure who deserved this scrutiny? No. He got into a no-win game and people are making him out to be the figurehead of unfair liberals or the epitome of conservative hypocrisy. Not really his fault. But most actual hollywood esque “celebrities” start out wanting to make money, act and get famous, suddenly people start paying attention to their opinions and call them on being hypocrites…on certain sites…
The man is a temporary celebrity, so we’re interested by his opinions and annoyed when he comes across as hypocritical. Why are you so surprised by this? Isn’t that what this site is built on?
Lisa- um, how is saying “hey, he’s a hypocrite” a sweeping judgment of “the other side”? But you are right, the election is over. Therefore…all discussion of it’s events must stop? What, because it was an unimportant event a whole week ago? Guys, maybe try to separate out this one dude from all inter-party politics. It’s not all “omg liberals hate being questioned at all times by everybody because one guy is being called on being an idiot! Hide the conservative neighbors in teh attic before they get burned at the stake!”
Calypso Jones- yeah, sure, he’s hated ONLY because he’s conservative and liberals just can’t stand his raw charisma. Just like everyone hated Palin only because she was conservative. Nothing to do with her complete mediocrity as a politician, her rather amusing inability to give an intelligent interview, or her stances on things like abortion, etc. Do you figure liberals are too party blind to notice all the actual flaws she had? That’s almost like two wrongs making a right though, isn’t it?
And when did he do this?
I don’t think you have one.
Wow, look at those goalposts go…
Joe the Plumber 2012!
@ Anni: I think I understand what you’re saying but I’m not sure you’ve taken your “can’t criticize the system you’ve been a part of” to it’s ultimate logical conclusion.
Joe claims to have been on welfare. This means he’s forever precluded from criticizing the system?
Are doctors who have been sick stripped of their medical license?
Divorced men can’t remarry?
Teachers with GEDs can’t teach?
Bankers who have bounced a check?
Taxi drivers with parking tickets?
If anything, I think the physician who has been ill understands medicine much better.
Joe’s not on welfare now. It’s a safety net and he used it as it was purposefully created, temporarily. And isn’t he in the best place to criticize it’s use or overuse?
My SIL was on WIC for 16 months when her dog of a husband knocked her up, cleaned out their bank accounts, and hopped a bus to Canada all on the same night. She’s super critical of the WIC program now because during her time she spotted about 5 million ways that women were abusing the system. Never having been on WIC or welfare myself, I couldn’t even begin to tell you where reform needs to begin.
And didn’t Obama himself say that he and his mother had collected welfare? So by your logic, this president can’t touch the system?
But that’s beside the point, because Joe didn’t ask Obama about welfare. From the very beginning, the question was about how excessive taxation of the upper middle class provides disincentive to succeed beyond mediocrity. Remember, the question was not “why are you giving my money to homeless bums?” but rather “why should I purchase a successful business if you’re going to penalize me?”
The last I checked, Joe looks like a posterchild for welfare. He used it, got off it, and is now working pretty darn hard to make a better life for his family.
“I don’t think you have one.”
When people bitch and moan about the evil government system, they’re talking about “handout programs.” So when he bitches and moans about Obama taking his money and spreading his hard-earned cash (not contesting he worked hard for it) to other people. If it is true this man has been on welfare (http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/11/06/joe-the-plumber-fellow-traveler/ Ignore the commentary. It’s not relevant.), then he is a hypocrite for him to bitch and moan about the evil government spreading his money to other people. Is he so great only him/his family deserve to be on welfare on other people’s paychecks but should never, ever return the favor? No.
His justification is that he deserved it, because he paid into the system. What a high horse this man is on! Only he is allowed to have bad luck, but people with worse luck who cannot, for whatever reason, pay into it right now may not. (It is just not possible that every single person who tries hard succeeds.)
Except that he didn’t even pay into it like he’s supposed to. He owes Ohio back taxes. http://politicolnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/joe-plumber-tax-liens-for-tax-evasion.html
If it’s proven wrong, I’ll admit to it. Prove to me first that I am, though, Scowl.
But you’re right, if you’re making an honest critique of an administration or other power, that should be your right. However, his point as “the honest working man” having evil Obama spread his moneys is moot if he cannot be this image. He wasn’t even critiquing a real situation, he was bitching about a potential situation that does not exist. Is he making 250k a year right now? No? Then why is he worried. If he owes back taxes, he should be paying those, not buying a business he cannot afford.
First, let me start by saying how UNBELIEVABLY ironic it is to see what happened to ol’ Joe. Let me preface this by saying I’m a lifelong conservative (NOT Republican, I’m actually Libertarian), who’s family is full of California liberals, so I’ve argued Democratic talking points pretty regularly over the last 8 years. Anyone remember any of the billion freaking times since 9/11 that Democrats have bitched and moaned about ‘infringements on their rights to privacy’? This is the party that believes a ‘right to privacy’ is sufficient enough Constitutional grounds to allow nationwide protection of abortion.
I’ve had Democrats actually accuse me personally of listening in on Average Joe’s (pun intended. lame, but intended.) phone calls when they found out I was Military Intelligence in the Marine Corps. This is despite the fact I was serving 10,000 miles away in a war zone most of the last 8 years. This is the party that doesn’t want us listening to calls originating from the United States to known terrorist sponsoring nations.
This is now the party that had absolutely NO qualms about digging up every facet of this man’s life (illegally in many cases) on the grounds that he disagreed with them politically. Did McCain bring him up? Yeah. Could Obama have debated against the ideas the man proposed rather than engaging in character assassination against a political dissenter? Hell yeah.
This is the party that bitched the whole election any time anyone brought up legitimate questions about Obama’s past assosciations with radical political figures, but are totally willing to thrash a random nobody for some unpaid back taxes. So, the rule is apparently that if you thrust yourself into the public eye by running for office, your past is off-limits, but if you ask a candidate a question, your entire life is now public domain? Hell, let this be my official nomination for Deceiver to do an article on this phenomenon – it more than qualifies.
Minnow-
I meet a lot of people who have moved out here from Michigan. You don’t need to be a licensed plumber to rip the copper pipe out of an abandoned house and go to the recyclers. Some guy I worked with just walked away from his house and gave most of his furniture to his freinds.
Anni-
Having infrastructure and some government services paid for by tax money is one thing. PEO is taking it beyond that into social engineering. This is the true fairness doctrine that I would be worried about. Its not fair that some people make more money-right? That philosophy led to the mortgage crisis.
I have delivered pizza full and part-time for about 23 years now (I’m a greedy capitalist). I once took a delivery to a factory where I know they were making at least 12 bucks an hour (1997-98 approximately). A “funny” guy took out a wad of food stamps and asked if I would take them for the pizza (a down on his luck comic?).
I delivered to all of the “projects” and trailer parks in Lexington, TN and I saw plenty of nice rides, TV’s, cell phones and clothes. Overweight, chronic wards of the state with plenty of money left for pizza. I used to hate the first of the month. Funny thing is though, every front door in the projects had been kicked in at one time or another.
BTW D, I worked with a girl who offered to swap me food stamps 1 for 1-some stereotypes have a basis in fact.
Anni, I respect your typing speed, but Joe didn’t ask about welfare. He asked about Obama’s tax plan. Not sure if you know that.
By your logic, anybody who’s ever had a traffic ticket doesn’t get to speak up about turning every street in town into a toll road.
Why are people still talking about Joe the Plumber? His fifteen minutes of fame was up sixteen minutes ago. It’s like Sarah Palin. Hasn’t anybody told her the election is over?
Because he was the target of an illegal government investigation. You know, the kind of thing we’re supposed to dissent against.
Hasn’t anybody told you? You don’t need to spread rumors about her anymore. Everything’s okay now.
Anni wrote: “Is [Joe] making 250k a year right now? No? Then why is he worried.”
Joe is such a great lesson in Microeconomics 101.
Joe worked for a small plumbing business. He paid attention to the day to day running of said business because he hoped to one day purchase it. But Joe’s ability to purchases the business isn’t the point.
The point is: Joe saw what the “Mr. Licensed Plumber” business annually grossed. And then Joe took a look at Mr. Obama’s tax plan.
Joe put 2 and 2 together.
Joe noted that Mr. Licensed Plumber made above the 250k mark. Joe then noted that the Obama tax brackets DID NOT differentiate between a married couple earning 250k and a single entity business grossing 250k. Then Joe looked around at the downtown district where he worked. It’s a small town, but still, Joe saw many other such businesses which would also get snagged by Obama’s artificially low tax bracket adjustments.
And then Joe did what other fiscal conservatives are bound to do. They extrapolate.
Hmmm… if I work for a small business which suddenly sees a major leap in tax liablity, what will happen to my job? What will happen to this business? What will happen to similar businesses?
And because Joe paid attention in economics class he remembered the following golden nugget:
Businesses don’t pay taxes. Customers pay taxes.
You see, when you raise taxes on a business (any kind, from ExxonMobile to Pat’s Hometown Knick-knacks) they don’t just suck it up and pay the tax.
They do one of two things: they raise their retail prices or they fire employees to adjust for the rise in taxation. Because NOBODY is in business to loose money (unless you count the federal government, but that’s a whole ‘nother ball of wax).
So Joe realized three key things during his little thinkin’ session:
1. Mr. Licensed Plumbing is gonna get reamed a new one by the tax man.
2. If I buy Mr. Licensed Plumbing, the tax man’s coming after me too.
3. My job is in jeopardy.
And that’s when Obama waltzed down Joe’s street. So Joe popped him the big question.
As it turned out, Joe got a first hand look at the immediacy small business economics when the economy went to pot. Small businesses are the first to feel economic downturns and the least capable of withstanding changes in local economies. Remember that gem about businesses not being in business to loose money? Small businesses are the least able weather out a storm or to hold onto extra employees during hard times. That’s why Joe’s not working for Mr. Licensed Plumber anymore.
So Joe learned a hard one about the jungle small businesses fight to survive in. Taxes really matter at this level. Government policy really, really matters.
The thing about Joe, about small business owners, about Fiscal Conservatives is that we don’t just care about our own wallets. Many small business owners (myself included) have earned many levels of wages in our lives, we’ve experienced the dreg years and the fast ones. Income brackets aren’t stationary, change your life slightly and you can move up or down with amazing ease. And conservatives don’t just care about people moving down the economic escalator.
Fairness applies to those making more than you just as much as than those earning less.
But Minnow, all we have to do is stop aspiring to improve our own lives, and we won’t be taxed for it. Everything will be fine as long as we all know our place. Obama will take care of us.
No Simon. Dissent is the sole purview of the left against conservatives in general, and Republicans specifically. Haven’t you heard we’re all supposed to get along now despite having to listen to an eight year long temper tantrum?
http://www.zefrank.com/from52to48withlove/
Sorry I forgot to add this:
http://timblair.spleenville.com/archives/007965.php
A tantrum right? Just like a spoiled brat. But now that he got his way everyone can love each other again.
OMG. I’m so inspired I’m gonna retch.
I have this sinking feeling they’re going to make me wear a yellow number 48 on all my clothing next.
Don’t sweat it. I think its just a small arm band.
Take your complaints about the whiny liberals who only get to dissent and never the conservatives to Huffo. I never said anything like that here.
Who are you talking to, and what is the topic you think you’re on?
Scowl -
I somehow missed a huge chunk of responses or my page didn’t load correctly or something. Since I can’t really argue back anymore and I don’t know more than I’ve already said, I give up.
For the record, though, I never hated him. I’m not sure if you knew that, either.
Guess I’ll just have to take your word for it.
Please do. I’d only think of him recently when I came to this site.
“Hasn’t anybody told you? You don’t need to spread rumors about her anymore. Everything’s okay now.”
Wow, Simon. Defensive much?
Yes, because it was PJ who personally spread ALL those rumours about Sarah Palin.
You’re such an angry ant. Just relax.
Not really.
More than her share.
Ah, irony.
His parents were on welfare, not him. Not his fault.