In your haste to deliver stinging correctory lightening bolts my way, I fear you have taken to quibbling semantics.

The Employee Free Choice Act (and since that’s another bit of delicious paradox, I won’t be calling it the EFCA) in essence turns the current card check proceedure into a vote.

What once was a preliminary petition, which normally would be collected by union organizers, submitted to a labor oversight board, and never shared with company management, now becomes an official vote to install a union. That’s card check, signing your consent, writing your name down… it becomes a vote.

And the secret ballot vote procedure, which normally followed the card check petition phase, would cease to exist.

So here’s the crux. The union would be using the petition as an officially official vote (without actually using the word vote), the union reads the names to find out who didn’t vote (oops, sign), the union shows the list to management as proof of a vote (uh… a signage) of approval, management sees who voted (oops again, signed) to unionize…

Here we see a glaring lack of privacy and a blatant disregard for basic self determination, but you want to thumb wrestle me over my use of the word “vote”?

Hell, call it what you want. No matter what word you use, it’s still exposing the entire employee body to a wide open system where both the union and management can see who’s on which side and can mete out an appropriate punishment to those they disagree with.

Hmmm, a bloody nose from the organizer or a bloody nose from your boss? Both are equally unpleasant.

Well, if I can’t say EFCA, you really don’t have to say vote. Fair’s fair’s fair.

But gee whiz, it sure does sound like a vote to me.

I’m laughing at you Obamabots. You guys were played for fools, and swallowed everything this guy said hook, line, and sinker. Turns out he’s just a politician and all that change he talked about was a change back to 1994.

Interesting. So you’re saying that openly posting your name on “a union sign up sheet” is not a casting an openly scrutinizable vote to unionize?

Oh yeah, I forgot. According to union rules, it’s only a vote if we all get together and vote to call it a vote.

In your fervor to make unions look bad, you’re missing the point. Right now, card-check (the initial union sign up process) is NOT considered a vote, and the employees have to vote again – that works in management’s favor. The EFCA will make the card check process count as a vote, which you just said you support. Right now it doesn’t count, and the employees have to vote again.

In other words, the process you just criticized is the one anti-union forces are trying to preserve. You just argued in favor the the EFCA.

Thanks for your support…

Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Lieberman met Thursday, yet Reid is waffling over whether to revoke Lieberman’s chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee and may instead hold a secret vote among Democratic members on whether to kick Lieberman out of the caucus.

Take it up with them, pls.

You’re a f***ing moron.

The vote wasn’t to kick Lieberman out of the Dem caucus. It was to strip him of his HS Chairmanship and to give to to an actual democrat, since, you know, they won a pretty resounding victory this past election.

It would have been punishment for activity campaigning against Dem senators and Obama, but staying in the caucus would have been up to Lieberman, as no-one ever threatened to kick him out.

Go back to school before you say something else so stupid.

Ideed. Bailing out the big 3 just delays the inevitable. Unions don’t want sound business practices, just more fiscally disastrous goodies to line their pockets.

Interesting. So you’re saying that openly posting your name on “a union sign up sheet” is not a casting an openly scrutinizable vote to unionize?

Oh yeah, I forgot. According to union rules, it’s only a vote if we all get together and vote to call it a vote.

a ’secret ballot’. the kind that these same eejits want to abolish in union shops??

~some are more equal than others~