One of the big reasons that everybody on earth needed to vote for Obama twice was because John McCain is a cancer patient and would probably die before the inauguration anyway. Whereas Obama was the healthy candidate! See Obama work out. Lift, Obama, lift. See Obama eat all his broccoli. Chew, Obama, chew. See Obama ride his little bicycle. Pedal, Obama, pedal.
Of course, when it came time for Obama to release his medical records because he was running for president, his personal physician put out a 276-word summary of his health records. (Shorter than this post!) Hey, who needs all those pesky details? He’s only going to be the President of the United States.
And don’t worry about him getting lung cancer. Sure, he used to smoke, but not anymore. Well, okay, just a little. As he told Tom Brokaw on Meet the Press yesterday (transcript courtesy of Top of the Ticket):
MR. BROKAW: Finally, Mr. President-elect, the White House is a no-smoking zone, and when you were asked about this recently by Barbara Walters, I read it very carefully, you ducked.
Have you stopped smoking?
PRES.-ELECT OBAMA: You know, I have, but what I said was that, you know, there are times where I’ve fallen off the wagon. Well…
MR. BROKAW: Well, wait a minute.
PRES.-ELECT OBAMA: …what can I tell…
MR. BROKAW: Then that means you haven’t stopped.
PRES.-ELECT OBAMA: Well, the–fair enough. What I would say is, is that I have done a terrific job under the circumstances of making myself much healthier, and I think that you will not see any violations of these rules in the White House.
The great thing about Obama is that you can always count on a clear, plain-spoken answer. See, he doesn’t smoke, except when he does. And besides, he exercises a lot, which totally cancels out the cancer. And, uh, he, uh, won’t smoke inside the, uh, White House. Probably.
Can you imagine if Bush said, “By the way, I haven’t really stopped drinking”? Brokaw’s jaw would hit the floor so hard, you could finally understand what he was saying.
Smoke up, Obama. And then tell me to eat my arugula.
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This is pretty weak. He’s 47 (?) the chances of him developing cancer and dying off (as opposed to McCain, who had treatment FOUR times and many doctors think he was suffering from his recurring cancer DURING his presidential run) are pretty slim.
Smoking is hard to give up, my dad smoked for over 15 years and had to “give up” three times before finally stopping the habit.
You’re kinda just grasping at straws here…
Evidently the Chosen One didn’t have his teleprompter with him.
The White House is a no smoking zone? F-ck you I’m the President of the United F—ing States of America, the most powerful man in the world and by extension the solar system. What are you gonna do arrest me? Then I’d smack ‘em on the ass and tell ‘em to go get me a beer or wash my car or something.
I’m surprised he hasn’t been prescribed Zyban. My father was put on it and, after 50 years of smoking he, “Just didn’t feel like it anymore.” This was after many, many, many, failed attempts at quitting. Perhaps Obama’s medical plan doesn’t cover it but I think he can afford a little out of pocket.
I have to agree with Pastafarian (Rock on, fellow believer!). He can do what he wants. Smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em Barack! Overturn that rule!
At the very least, I’d get me a smoking room somewhere in the white house. Install a kick-ass ventilation system and smoke up!
If the White House is a no smoking zone, why all the fun stories about Billy Boy and his cigar antics? Or did he stop short of actually smoking one, so it’s alright?
My real question for ANY politician would be: “how can you, with a straight face, be anti-smoking? The government makes money hand over fist on tobacco, from the time it’s harvested until it’s sold in a pack, do you have any idea how many taxes there are on it?”
This country needs to get over it’s double standard about smoking RFN. Either it’s a perfectly acceptable behavior that should be tolerated – and thus taxed, or it’s the root of all evil like they keep claiming it is, and thus they should have no business making money off it.
Yes, I am a smoker. Until 2 years ago I was able to walk in to any restaurant in my state, be seated in the smoking section, and all was well. Now I have to stand outside in the snow like a leper – despite the fact that no concrete proof has EVER been found that occasional second hand smoke exposure does anything to anyone. Did someone put a gun to the head of these anti-smoking morons and FORCE them to go into the restaurant where people were smoking? Nope.
If there really were that many people that hated others smoking around them, wouldn’t there have been a ton of people making money by opening smoke-free facilities? But they weren’t doing that, because there was no market for it. So again we get the government stepping in to make sure it takes care of these problems for us. No choice, no leaving it up to the consumer, just force it down everyone’s throats.
I have no problem paying the taxes on my smokes, or indeed being forced to stand outside in the snow to smoke them – but both is complete bullshit. If I’m a law-abiding taxpayer, then leave me alone and let me smoke where I want. If I’m offending societies ‘new morals’ by continuing to smoke, society has no business making a profit off my habit.
The problem Simon is pointing out is that Barack says one thing, and then does another. Sort of like all those people he chastised for 2 years on the campaign trial for doing and stated loud and proud he was for change. Seems the only thing changing these days are the answers to the questions he has been giving since he declared his presidency.
I think I want a man with enough willpower to quit smoking as my president… could just be me, though. My mom smoked for well over a decade and quit by desire, prayer, and chewing bubble gum, seriously. Granted, I think she could probably knock Iran into shape too, but I could be bias
Beyond that, just admit it. He’s already voted in, why continue lying about something we all know about? Democrats and their smokes, just never seems to go well for them anymore.
I’m with Pasta et al – why can’t dude smoke if he wants to? He’s Commander-in-Chief and all. But yes, Simon, he should just come out and say it to Brokaw and everyone – “I’m not a 3-pack-a-day guy, but I enjoy a cigarette every now and then and will probably go out to the White House lawn periodically to cop a smoke. Especially when Israel decides to bomb Iran.”
When did smoking become tantamount to child molestation, by the way? Yes, it’s bad for you, but so is smoking weed and yet I’m sure many fanatical anti-smokers think MJ is “natural” and “organic.”
No worries, everyone. We’ve got a medical doctor here who’s examined Obama personally and given him a clean bill of health. (Not that Obama should see a doctor in the first place. After all, who’s ever died of lung cancer before the age of 50?) Thanks, Dr. Darek!
Dunno. Never said it was.
BEHOLD! The Second Coming of President Slick Willy
Nothing more nee be said that hasn’t been said. Pasta probably put it the best.
Take five and smoke ‘em if you got ‘em in the White House. That’s change I can believe in. God bless America and filters are for wimps.
“Can you imagine if Bush said, “By the way, I haven’t really stopped drinking”?” Drinking impairs you, so it is a completely different story. You can’t really compare a drunk with a smoker as you don’t see people getting arrested for it, do you? Smoking is more addictive than heroin & now he is in the most stressful job in the world, so I think he can get a pass on quitting as most people do not say it one day & accomplish it the next.
What impeccable logic. He didn’t really lie, everybody. Never mind.
All kidding aside, I’d hoped that once He was elected, there would have been tougher questions on the horizon. I guess it’s gonna all be dogs, and cigarettes.
*Crazy MSM conspiracy theory inserted below*
I’m willing to bet everyone here, that on January 21st everything is gonna be coming up roses. Just watch.
Yeah, Pasta said it. I need not add to anything here.
Well, okay, except that if I were Obama, I would have just said, “Yeah, I smoke. And what?”
Well, this is Brokaw we’re talking about. I’m surprised he didn’t offer Obama a light.
He simply didn’t want to say he’d quit, and get called on it if he was seen slipping later. He also doesn’t want to say he’s smoking, because he’s making the effort to quit.
Quitting smoking isn’t easy, and there will be a LOT of falling off the wagon in his future. Could you imagine if you tried to quit sarcasm Simon?
People hello. He is first and foremost a politician. Of course he is going to lie.
The White House should remain non-smoking for all of those people who work there and do not want to breathe second hand smoke and even worse smell like an ashtray.
(And before people comment – yes, I smoked for donkey’s years and I quit. I just thank god every day that sarcasm is not illegal and it is still okay to drive under the influence of a little sarky – cuz how would I get home from work if it was illegal?)
“that no concrete proof has EVER been found that occasional second hand smoke exposure does anything to anyone”
Erm, yes it does. When I would get back from a place that allowed smoking, my clothes and hair would reek of smoke, and I’d have to grab a shower right off upon coming home (and at 3 AM and intoxicated, that’s quite a task) otherwise I’d wake up with a pillow reeking of smoke. Chucking clothes in the wash in the wee hours of the morning wasn’t fun, otherwise the stench would linger in my house. If the stuff was dry-clean only, it’d have to go in the garage until I can take it to the cleaners on my lunch hour on Monday (not exactly on the list of favorite things to do or spend money on). Not to mention the allergies that’d get set off and I’d be blowing ash-filled bogeys out the next day.
In other words… it is a huge inconvenience for non-smokers to deal with trying to rid their bodies and clothes of the stench you inflicted upon them when they’d rather already be passed out and sleeping soundly. Instead, we’re washing our hair several times over because it still smells, doing laundry in the middle of the night, spraying down our shoes and handbags with Febreze and leaving them outside… and by the time this is finished… WE CAN’T GET TO SLEEP!!!
Just because people like to smoke doesn’t mean that us non-smokers should be inflicted with the after-affects of it. You must seriously have no idea how bad cigarette smoke stinks or how hard it can be to get it out of your clothes and hair. Not all of us enjoy smelling like a bar. Or doing laundry in the middle of the night.
Scott F: “If the White House is a no smoking zone, why all the fun stories about Billy Boy and his cigar antics?”
I read in one of the Billy-bob biographies (the Stephanopoulos one???) that Mr. C spent a lot of cigar time out on the Truman balcony.
I’d spend a lot of time on the balcony if I was married to The Hillary. Teetering on the railing, contemplating the splat factor…
Ani – “When I would get back from a place that allowed smoking, my clothes and hair would reek of smoke, and…ect.”
So, here’s an idea – DON’T FREQUENT PLACES THAT ALLOW SMOKING!!!! I happen to like being able to smoke in the restaurant after I finish eating, so do a lot of other people. Why can’t a business owner have the right to make that determination for himself? If there really are enough people like you out there to make us quit smoking everywhere but our own homes (and believe me they’re coming after that next), shouldn’t there be enough of you to financially support businesses that decide to make their establishments non-smoking?
But noooo, we have to cater to the ‘it makes my clothes stink’ crowd. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? The absolute reek (no other word to describe it) of candle stores or ‘bed and bath’ places gives me an unbearable headache – I demand they stop selling them in public places right this minute! So what if no one forces me to go in to those stores – by your logic I get to impose my olfactory preferences on other people regardless of my ability to just not go there.
God forbid people be allowed to make choices for themselves though. It’s nice to know we have an army of people like you out there to make these tough decisions for us.
Aleric summed up just about all that I wanted to say.
But I’ll add… as a reformed garbage can, if I could quit smoking, which I’ll admit was harder then smack, legal smack too, certainly ‘ol Bare can do the cigarette mash for sure, or maybe the smoke and ashes remind him of home. (if one’s to inhale anything, why not the green?)
Dearest Scotty F,
Since Ohio and Indiana have since passed “no smoking in public places law”… it’s no longer an issue
I don’t care how ridiculous it sounds, back in my clubbing days, or when smoking WAS allowed in fancier restaurants, my dry cleaning bill was ridiculously through the roof thanks to smokers when I’d have to get my coats cleaned…and considering the winter climate in Ohio, going sans coat isn’t an option.
My boyfriend is a smoker, and he doesn’t even smoke in HIS house because he doesn’t like how it smells but is having a hard time quitting. He knows smoking is a no-no in my house.
By the way, I’m pleased to make such a tough choice for you
After all, I spent years doing laundry at 3 AM because people like you decided I didn’t need to sleep when I got back from the clubs 
I mean, I was torn between laundry at 3 AM and laundry at 3 PM on Sunday. I’m so glad you helped me decide for so many years that 3 AM was a great laundry time.
You’re not the only one who avoids those candle stores or bed and bath because of the overwhelming olfactory assault. Or how Abercrombie and Fitch reeks like some cheap Persian cologne. The main difference is… most people don’t really socialize or eat in those places for hours at a time. I also do not believe the candles or whatever stench Abercrombie uses is carcinogenic, it’s just *yuck*. Who knows, maybe you can start your own movement.
The smoking bans are the stupidest things to ever hit the public. The business owner should have the choice as to whether his/her establishment should allow smoking. When I lived in Austin and they passed the ban within city limits, a lot of businesses suffered because the establishments outside the city limits would advertise as “smoking allowed”. Guess what? Everyone went there. Here in the UK, a lot of pubs that could not provide a nice outdoor area for smokers have been shut down.
I don’t care if a place is non smoking, but that choice should not belong to the government. After all, sometimes, it’s nice to step outside and socialize over a smoke.
I love how indignant smokers (and I was one for 13 years) tell us it’s their right to smoke wherever they want, and if we don’t like it we should go somewhere else. How about it’s our right to not be near a smoker, and if you don’t like it, YOU can go somewhere else? If I sat next to you while you were eating, and I lit a block of sulfur, would that be MY right?
Just a note, but damn Simon, and you guys wonder why Deceiver is oft accused of being Republican. Sure, the story is legitimate, but every time you do a piece on Obama you don’t *have* to start with a tirade about how bitter you are that he was elected.
Mebbe try saving your hatred of the fact that quite a few people legitimately voted for him for a story that’s about him sucking at the job he hasn’t taken yet? Or being hypocritical about stuff that he was actually elected for? I know anecdotal evidence isn’t valid, but I don’t know anybody who actually voted for him based on his smoking history.
THis is not to say that I think he’s the chosen one either, but your rage is a wee bit out of proportion to the offense. Yeah, it was an evasive answer, but to a question about somebody’s personal habit that doesn’t impair their ability to do a job. Is it a bad precedent for how he answers questions? Yes. But geez, this is not the “ha! I was right! You were all idiots for electing him!” proof that you’re looking for.
Who said I gave him a clean bill of health, if he smokes, he’s doing something detrimental to his health (but he also keeps active with exercise). Should he quit, absolutely, does his trying to quit but slipping show he’s the worst man to exist and shouldn’t be president and that he’s a dirty rotten liar on par with Bill Clinton or Yes on 8 supporters? Nope.
Everyday I wake up just to hear you bitter republicans whining abt the election of pres. obama. it’s music to my ears, but, seriously…GET OVER IT, simon! it’s time to unite now. also, there’s a huge difference between smoking and drinking. Alcohol is a drug that alters one’s ability to function; tobacco… not so much.
ahh, bitter, republican simon… get ahold of the blagojevich story yet? you’ll have a field day killing this one to death the way you did with edwards
“…there’s a huge difference between smoking and drinking.”
Really? The last douche-bag liberal talking point was that smoking cigarettes is the equivalent of shooting heroin. Care to retract that?
And thank you, “no, I won’t be uniting soviet-style with the likes of you and your democratic slimeballs like blagoyevich.
“You were all idiots for electing him!”
Well… Let’s see what happens today since the feds picked up our great Illinois Gov. Blagogovich or however you spell his name. That’s getting pretty close. Cook County Democrats are some of the most corrupt around.
Wanna guess who is a democrat from Cook County?
Obama’s a liar, and most of us knew that a long time ago.
Yeah, smoking stinks, but that’s no reason to tell a business you can’t use a legal product inside your place of business, especially with proper ventilation. When Minneapolis started talking about the smoking ban, it frustrated me. When it passed, it pissed me off. Now it’s the whole state. We have more drunk driving accidents now because the smokers drive over to Wisconsin so they can light up while they drink. So instead of slowly killing the bartender in Minnesota with their dastardly second-hand smoke, they kill people much more quickly and certainly with their vehicles because they drive 30 miles instead of 30 blocks. Bar/Grills have lost tons of business, which of course means less tax revenue. Hooray for killing small businesses! Three cheers for Big Brother!
Anyone 18 can buy cigarettes. Anyone in an establishment restricted to 18 and over should be allowed to smoke, provided the management allows it. Or sells it. No outside food or beverage? How about no outside smokes? You buy ‘em here, buddy.
Or we could ban smoking everywhere except for outside, but then it’s only a matter of time before some hyper progressive university publishes a study about the effects of second hand smoke on local wildlife, specifically, some endangered species.
Smoking bans: the NEW Prohibition!
“GET OVER IT, simon! it’s time to unite now.”
Yeah – not gonna happen. See, elephants never forget buddy. We remember the last 8 years. I remember walking on to base passed anti-war protesters in San Diego. I remember walking through the streets of D.C. looking at thousands of people with pictures of Bush transposed over Hitler, chanting ‘selected, not elected’ (despite winning the second time by 3 million votes).
I remember being blamed for an economic crisis, and ‘Republican deregulation’, that Clinton somehow signed into law, not Bush. I remember 8 years of Democrats screaming at the top of their lungs like psychotics – finding any fault they could with the current administration and hammering it into the ground until they lost their voices.
Now what? Now that your guy wins we’re supposed to put all that behind us and be nice? Not gonna happen. Now the Democrats get to see what it’s like to be blamed every time the wind blows in a different direction. They’d better hope we don’t suffer any more hurricanes, after Katrina, Obama had better fly down there within 10 minutes with enough food for 2 million people clenched in his arms – or we’re going to roast him just like you guys did to Bush for things he couldn’t control. It’s payback time – get used to it.
Interesting, from the surgeon general in 2006
“# The scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.
Supporting Evidence
* Short exposures to secondhand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of a heart attack.
* Secondhand smoke contains many chemicals that can quickly irritate and damage the lining of the airways. Even brief exposure can result in upper airway changes in healthy persons and can lead to more frequent and more asthma attacks in children who already have asthma.
# Eliminating smoking in indoor spaces fully protects nonsmokers from exposure to secondhand smoke. Separating smokers from nonsmokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot eliminate exposures of nonsmokers to secondhand smoke.
Supporting Evidence
* Conventional air cleaning systems can remove large particles, but not the smaller particles or the gases found in secondhand smoke.
* Routine operation of a heating, ventilating, and air conditioning system can distribute secondhand smoke throughout a building.
* The American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE), the preeminent U.S. body on ventilation issues, has concluded that ventilation technology cannot be relied on to control health risks from secondhand smoke exposure.”
This is from that liberal surgeon general who was appointed by the ultra liberal George W Bush.
Full report here: http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/secondhandsmoke/factsheets/factsheet6.html
To the libeals who are annoyed at conservatives being annoyed at Obama being elected: Your ilk whined for 8 years. Can’t those of us who want to whine do so for at least a couple of months?
To the people who turned this hypocrisy exhibit into a smoking debate (which I refuse to join): Umm, wait, go back to Aleric. Let him smoke himself to cancer! But the *point* is that Obama wouldn’t release his medical records and felt the need to hedge about whether he had quit or not. It’s not “should he smoke”–it’s the fact that “Well, yes I have” was the first thing out of his mouth when he was asked if he had quit. And then because he didn’t want to be caught in a lie, he had to turn “yes, I have” into “but, um, er, well, uh, ah . . .”
To Simon: You’re still my hero! The laughter generated by this post saved my day.
But what’s wrong with those protesters trying to exercise their right to free speech? Why did pres bush go into Iraq- it was pretty Hitler-esque if you ask me, even pres bush is back-pedaling and regeretting his actions,as is secy of state rice. and so even after the ones who ENGINEERED this war have finally eaten a slice of humble pie, and you die-hard pro-war people can’t even see the light?
another thing — back when Clinton signed the deregulation, he was under pressure to do so by a majority republican congress. he came under fire bc of his sex scandal, and they pretty much had him wrapped around their fingers. clinton left office and left a surplus for bush, who pi**ed it all away on this useless war.
all of the evidence is right in front of your face. there is a reason why he has the lowest job approval rating in history (or when they started polling). people aren’t stupid. however, there is a reason the public voted him in the second time, even though he was slowly digging this country into a craphole: the poo hadn’t hit the fan yet. (ha, so I guess people are
how can we have had this huge economic boom in the 90′s when Clinton was in power and recessions under both bushes? it’s pretty simple.
and pasta– not all democrats are the same. someone as “intelligent” as you should probably be aware of that, no?
What matters is whether Obama’s Department of Justice is going to pursue the tobacco industry in its quest for money the way the Clinton administration did. Now THAT would be hypocritical.
tobacco is horrible, a slow killer; this is obvious, but alcohol impairs brain function and tobacco doesn’t. i’ve never heard of a rule of having a minimum blood nicotine level in order to drive home safely. smoking cigarettes and getting wasted are two different things; one causes numerous annual traffic-related deaths, spousal/child, abuse, etc., and the other… doesn’t. maybe you need to explain in more detail what i said that wasn’t consistent with my “douche-bag liberal talking points”
Thanks, Habada… Haba… Thanks, dude!
They are in Cook County ss.
Good luck with that. This was still America the last time I checked. We’re still allowed to criticize our leaders.
He claimed he’d quit. When he was pressed on it, he admitted, in the most lawyerly way possible, that he hadn’t actually quit.
Anyway, nice Kos talking points, ss.
Oh no! Did I hurt your feelings by daring to criticize The One? I’m really sorry.
“Anyway, nice Kos talking points, ss.”
What do you mean by this? I don’t read the daily kos, but i’m sure they’re a lot better than your sean hannity talking points.
But you still haven’t explained how i negated my point about alcohol being worse than tobacco. my post had nothing to do with president obama not explicitly saying he quit smoking. You’re the one who’s obsessed with president obama and you brought president obama into this. I guess i should have been clear about who i was responding to. (snoop)
“Oh no! Did I hurt your feelings by daring to criticize The One? I’m really sorry.”
No feelings are hurt bc none of your criticisms of president obama are legitimate. you are fishing. They won’t be legit until president obama F’s up the country the way pres bush did. which will never happen
pasta, by your logic, everyone from the same region has the same political viewpoints/morals/values. you and i reside in the same county, and i can tell you right now that is not true.
You just answered your own question.
Precisely. You’re off-topic.
Remember “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism,” folks? No more. Criticizing Obama will be heretofore considered “obsession.”
“bush effed up the country” is a kos talking point?! are you kidding? I thought this was common knowledge. i’m sorry if you’re confusing my “living room talk” with family and friends with me supposedly rabidly perusing left-wing websites all day.
FAIL
Your rhetorical prowess has bested the right-wingers once again, ss. Take a bow.
Oh and ss don’t try to change the subject by calling me “intelligent”. Or sexy. Or handsome and muscular. Or that I get better looking everyday. Because that does NOT work.
Go ahead and try it. You’ll see.
Looks like I’m out of the discussion. ss’s natural talent in debate and ability to adroitly make and defend points–with such nice grammar and capitalization, too!–has left me utterly defeated. I depart in shame.
Geesh, Simon, you must have hit some nail on the head… this post has caused more of a reaction than Chernobyl.
What’s clean, articulate, and smoking it up? Obama watching Blagojevich coverage…
That’s because Simon dared to criticize the One’s Clinton-isk answer.
You either smoke or you don’t, dancing around it makes him look like a deceiver and earns him a happy spot on this site.
Second hand smoke is for wimps. Go get yourself a pack of Marlboro Reds people and stop complaining.
Ever notice women get smarter when they stop clubbing? For instance, they notice that in order to get their clothes to stop smelling like smoke, they stop frequenting places with smokers. Nothing against clubs though, more power to the DJ.
ooook. honestly, by now we would be hearing worse sh*t from mccain and palin. so obama smokes. so hes trying to quite. no ones perfect. I quite smoking and it was the hardest thing ive ever done in my life! i was a hypocrite about it to but hey i eventually stopped. jeezes, report more important stories instead of nit picking everything that everyone says.
Quite.
Exactly what worse stuff would the awful Republicans have been giving us by now? Seriously. I’m *quite* interested in some hypothetical examples.
simon, you’re not clever… sorry
“All (civil) opinions are welcome. And if you can’t be civil, at least be entertaining!”
follow your own advice
Pasta said: “I guess it’s gonna all be dogs, and cigarettes.” That about sums up my feelings as well.
Deja vu all over again, Yogi.
I’m with you Habanada, I wanna hear what evil McCain & Palin would be perpetratin’.
Maybe they’d be selling senate seats, buying real estate at reduced prices in exchange for political favors, funneling state funding to slum lords, rerouting grant money from the public school system, scoring six figure hospital jobs for spouses…
Another devastating riposte from ss…
Well im dissapointed that obama seems to be involved in this scandal. I did vote for him and i hope he doesnt let us down. oh come on theres def crap about mccain and palin. Mccain i would say is one of the best republicans out there. but i mean look at the way mccain ran his campaign! total total hypocrisy. he back pedaled on his original beliefs to pertain, well appeal to the more conservative rep voters. tho they both had neg campaign adverts, mccain went further in the pursuit disappointingly, even tho he had said he wouldnt go that route, i mean i didnt want to vote for a man who seemed continuously doubtable and fickle (in himself esp)
and palin, yeah shes a pretty strong sturdy woman but i mean the way she presented and rep herself was a complete joke, she was undoubtedly drilled and grilled and rehearsed on what to say, and i mean the whole wardrobe scandal? oh theres def more on her. but yeah i guess no ones perfect.
anyway keep up the reporting simon
i believe in you obama!:)
Keep believin’ benny.
“Mccain i would say is one of the best republicans out there.”
Coming from you Ben, that means the world.
Oddly enough, Ben, most Republicans don’t consider McCain among the best Republicans out there. So I guess that means he’s a pretty good Democrat, eh? Not good enough to win, but, well, we can’t all be 4% black!
im a republican and i think just bc mccain wasnt a hardcore right wing angelical brainwashed conservative doesnt meean he wasnt a bad republican. and who are you referring to? i kno alot of republicans who liked mccain. and i mean our party did nominate him eh? so he made an error in judgement with selecting palin as his vp. but what does being “4% black” have anything to do with it? i mean the black population is a minority in america so a good percentage of the white pop voted for him. and race shouldnt even be a factor here. maybe we didnt win bc the republican bush administration totally screwed this country over the past 8 years and we wanted change.
booyo:
1) I never said Republicans didn’t like him. I like him. I just said he’s not among “the best.” Considering he only needed to vamp his politics a little bit to go independent, he’s a pretty liberal specimen of a Republican.
2) Palin was the best thing about his ticket, not “a mistake,” and I’m pretty sure it was more than a minority of republicans who were voting for her in spite of McCain, not the other way around.
3) 4% is my rather sarcastic reference to Obama’s mottled ethnical background. You’re right–race SHOULDN’T matter–but for some reason, “everyone’s” screaming in joy about America getting over its racism by voting in a (barely) black leader. If the country really weren’t racist, that wouldn’t matter. But somehow it does. Someone can explain that to me, if they like.
4) Maybe the Dali ‘Bama won because 52% (hardly a sweeping victory by any definition) drank the Kool Aid–and he hasn’t even been sworn in, and we’re already getting an inkling of what a mistake it may have been to put that kind of “change” in power. Unless you’re of a school that thinks that ANY change is a good change–in which case, the Bush administration must’ve been great, because it was a change from the Clinton Years!
Thanks Habanada.
Your 4 points used fewer f-bombs than mine.