The animal rights group, which every year stages a protest at the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show, had two of its members dress in Ku Klux Klan garb outside Madison Square Garden on Monday.
Their goal, according to a post on the PETA website, was to draw a parallel between the KKK and the American Kennel Club. “Obviously it’s an uncomfortable comparison,” PETA spokesman Michael McGraw told the Associated Press.
But the AKC is trying to create a “master race” when it comes to pure-bred dogs, he added. “It’s a very apt comparison.”
Of course it is. And KFC is just like the Holocaust. Here, let’s help these clowns out with some more “apt comparisons” for their next hilarious protest:
SeaWorld = Dachau
Chik-fil-A = The Tuskeegee Experiment
Marley & Me = Birth of a Nation
Ruth’s Chris Steak House = Hiroshima
Pam Anderson = Ghandi meets Einstein
Remember: Keeping pets is wrong. It’s much better to kill them and dump their little bodies behind a Piggly Wiggly. Better dead than bred, right, Ingrid?
Next year, Westminster should hold their show in Harlem. Let’s see these geniuses try this little stunt up there.
(Hat tip: Deceiver superfan Pastafarian)
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WTF? While I think pure bred dogs are a bad idea – the lines are getting smaller which means more diseases like spondolosis, epilepsy and cancer in the pure bred dogs – why is PETA so idiotic? This does nothing but turn people off to the message. Ugh. Why won’t they go away?
I thought peta was against the use of animals as pets. Link below shows a great picture with Ingrid and her pet chihuahua “Sparky”. Hypocricy must be the foundation of any peta “mediawhore”. (As aptly described by Ingrid herself.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrid_Newkirk
Lisa – that is not a pet, it’s a roommate
HA! Genius idea, that Harlem bit. I’d pay big to see that.
Queen Bee, you need to do some research about your above statement “While I think pure bred dogs are a bad idea-the lines are getting smaller which means more diseases like spondolosis, epilepsy and cancer in the pure bred dogs”. That statement is so inaccurate and misleading. The AKC tracks all hereditary conditions that are in the pure bred dog registry. It DOES NOT track for mixed breeds since that is what the AKC isn’t about. A little about breeders.
Responsible breeders are those who breed to better the breed and not to make a buck. The responsible breeders do massive amounts of research on the sire and dame before even considering breeding. One of the many items they check for is genetics of both of the animals and if it would be a good match and to minimize any genetic defects. This is to ensure the whelped litter is BETTER that the parents. It’s the people who:
- think that breeding and selling puppies will mke them money. They just get a dog and a bitch and let nature take its course. Which of course leads to possible genetic mis-match.
- want to show little Johnnie and Suzie the “Miracle” of birth and don’t care what gets bred to what.
Or may personal favorite.
“My bitch is in season, but I’ll leave her in the back yard and she’ll be fine”.
You need to go to http://www.akc.org and go the the “clubs” section and find a dog club in your area. Get information on pure bred animals, or go to a dog show in your area and talk to breeders and find out what is actually involved in the breeding and whelping a litter before you make statemants like the above. To those of us involved in the pure bred dog world, it makes you sound like a buffoon and a closet PeTArd.
BTW, if you prefer rescue dogs to the pure bred, my hat is off to you for giving as animal a second chance at life and love.
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The silence you hear is me staring at this photo, slackjawed and dumbfounded.
Though, like Beige and Simon, I’d pay to see these guys pull this crap in Harlem.
Where are the Black Panthers when you need them?
“Where are the Black Panthers when you need them?”
They were at the polling booths during the elections so they were tired.
I should take my Native American butt up to NY and see if I can provoke them into taking a swing at me. Nahh, then I would have to go to NYC.
Ummm why didn’t they dress up as Nazis?? They’re the ones who tried to create the master race!! Idiots. PS why do people keep leaving page-long posts? Does anyone read the whole thing?
Swede, you are right that I shouldn’t have made that statement without offering that it was my opinion based upon my experience. Growing up, I had an German Short Haired Pointer, bought at a reputable AKC kennel. My dog had epilepsy that became worse as he aged. Same goes for the spondolosis of the hips that had him nearly crippled by the age of 10. At the age of 7 he had testicular cancer and eventually died, the vet suspects, of brain tumors.
Again, it is my experience, that my friends who have dogs that are mutts who don’t have anywhere near the problems we had with our dog’s health. Our dog’s health problems could have been a fluke but if I do choose to buy another dog, I will probably not go pure bred. Just my uninformed prejudice.
I’m sure this little stunt will go over very well. Then again, their klan suits fit them. Klan is to lynching as peta is to killing animals
“Responsible breeders are those who breed to better the breed and not to make a buck”
I can’t get over that some people actually have the delusion that breeding will make them money. Maybe if you put your dog out to stud, but even then… that has its own issues, I am sure.
A responsible breeder has many sleepless nights making sure the bitch is doing well, takes her to the vet regularly. Not to mention the lack of sleep once the puppies are born (some are “orphaned” and have to be bottle-fed every 2 hours) and financial costs of having a litter of puppies, getting their check-ups, paying for their AKC papers (sometimes paying EXTRA for the AKC to end the line there to prevent future breeding), etc etc etc. Chances are it costs more money than it makes. I personally don’t know all the specifics in breeding, but I know enough NOT to do it and leave it to the pro’s who know what they are doing (I’ve been approached to have my shih-tzu with “perfect markings” to be put to stud, and I’ve declined and also had him fixed back when he was 6 months old, all 3 of my pups were fixed at 6 months old.)
That’s true Aleric. Maybe we can send Mike Vick’s dogs up. They can use the PETA members as a chew toy. Of course, that would be animal abuse not mention how many baths the dogs would need before they would be clean and odor free.
Oh god bless Peta. I would be so much less entertained today if not for this.
Pamela Anderson, Gandhi, and Einstein? Anyone else see a kick ass TV show?
“The world’s turned upside down, she’s a sexy Nobel Prize winning physicist, He’s a violent loose canon, and he’s the wild haired, lovable doofus with a heart of gold, Friday nights on NBC”.
Man I wish I could animate that a la “Robot Chicken” or something. Gandhi kickin’ ass. Einstein with a cue ball clumsily jammed in his mouth or something. Awesome.
Pasta, it would have to be on HBO or Skinamax. I think the FCC banned Pam for regular TV. Something about more plastic in her body than in their wallets.
I would pay to see peta do the publicity stunt Harlem though.
Yes, I’d move back up to NY to see that!
“she’s a sexy Nobel Prize winning physicist…”
Don’t forget the catchy name. Pam’s characters always have those super-duper cleverish names which hit you upside the head with their subtlety.
How’s about Ata McBomb?
I gotta agree with Swede on this: “The responsible breeders do massive amounts of research on the sire and dame before even considering breeding.”
In my experience with Dalmatian Rescue, the only deaf, epileptic, or displastic dals I’ve processed adoptions on have been puppy mill products timed to coincide with Disney 101 movies.
Queen Bee wrote: “I had an German Short Haired Pointer…”
That might be something with the breed itself. My neighbor has had a really bad streak of luck with GSP’s. One puppy had terminal liver problems, the replacement pup (from a different breeder) developed diabetes at puberty. I also know someone on another board who just had several skin tumors removed from her GSP.
The breed might be problematic or maybe it’s been trashed the way Golden Retrievers were in the 80′s and Irish Setters in the 60′s.
PETA = KKK. PETA is known for their hatred of Jews and Christians.
I always thought PETA was pretty much simply the breeding ground for paranoid rejects who blow vague/far fetched comparisons out of proportion…but now I just know.
First of all, it’s not like the goal at these dog shows is to tell you to exterminate, hate, or disregard the other breeds that have “lost” the pageant.
Second of all, where does PETA stand on beauty pageants like Miss America? Because you sure as hell never hear PETA moaning about how these contests compare and rule out physical traits of human beings. You never hear PETA on about how the Miss America pageant “exploits” human beings. Aren’t human beings animals as well, or at least deserve the same kind of rights and protection that all the other conscious organisms do?
Addendum: I don’t really like either contest (or take them seriously), mainly because I’m one of those people who believe that your dog does not need to be a pedigree or champion in order to be beautiful. My Great Dane would supposedly be disqualified from the dog show because of her coat, but I don’t think she’s any less “important” or beautiful than any purebreed champion. My two labrador mix puppies are both mutts, but I wouldn’t trade them in for anything in this world. I have owned pedigree dogs before that I have loved as much, but the point I’m making here is that I love my “mutts” no less.
You stole my name, Ani.
i’m speechless…
This makes me even happier that I watched the dog show
I’m so sick of groups making comparisons that are just insultive. The AKC to the KKK, gays to blacks (which does not mean I am comparing the KKK to gays). The things they have done/have been through are so pale in comparison.
i was going to say i can’t believe peta pulled this crap but nevermind.. i caught myself. awful.
While I agree PETA makes it impossible for many of us to respect their aims and methods (The KKK? c’mon. That’s ridiculous) , there is an important issue that does deserve attention, and shouldn’t be minimized just because PETA’s involved in another wacky protest. Basically humans have really messed up a number of dog “breeds”; all the result of “selective” breeding for looks and traits that humans value. As time has gone on with this hobby, recognizable breeds such as the German Shepard have virtually been physically altered into something that looks like it’s back legs are broken. There are many, many examples of other genetic mutations that became fashion, such as the bull dog types that essentially are genetic monsters selected for their cute faces at the expense of a deformed skull and breathing apparatus. The list is long. These extreme types are nothing more than fashion trends in the show ring. You can stick your fingers in your ears and shout “responsible breeders” all day long, but the fact is humans have made a mess of the “purebred” dog, and even though I enjoy watching the Westminster show and love many different types of dogs, I think it’s important to inform people and get them to see what a mess we’ve made. Check out this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7569064.stm.
Isn’t there some analog to Godwin’s Law that says: ‘If you show up dressed in Klan robes, you automatically and irrevocably fail’?
Speaking of vague/far-fetched PETA comparisons: Once they were protesting at the Ohio Statehouse with a guy dressed as Elvis sitting on a toilet. I asked them what the point was and they replied that the King’s deep-fried, meat-eating ways did him in by putting strain on his heart and that if he’d eaten vegetarian he may still be alive. I said, “Yeah, and I’m sure his death had nothing at all to do with the massive pill cocktail he took every day for years.” God, I hate those morons.
Agreed, RNB – in fact, I wonder how many people ran the other way when approached by these weirdo’s? They should have had some folks of African ancestry dressed up to show it really wasn’t the KKK, but really some other group handing out literature (yeah, like that would have worked). I wonder if any of those KKK-clothed people thought “hey, maybe someone will mistake us for real clan members, and maybe, you know, SHOOT us ????” Never mind – that requires thinking on their part.
Damn straight Ruth’s Chris is like Hiroshima…for my diet. Nom nom nom.
Darla, I agree with you on some of your points (Bull dog, Pug) however, your comment on the GSD is way off the mark. A very good friend of mine from Germany breeds and uses his GSD’s for farm help with his livestock. According to him, the way that they move (as you see in dog shows) is actually beneficial to the dog. It seems that the gate (movement) you see helps them move through the farmers fields more easily. He also stated that in Germany, they don’t use fences to keep livestock penned in, they use the dog as a moving fence. I’ve seen how it works and while I don’t like how it looks, I do understand the reasoning behind it.
The link you provided, while broadcast by the BBC, it was brought to light by the European version of PeTA. So when you watch it, keep that in mind.
I agree with Queen Bee. I swear, every time I hear Peta pull crap like this, it makes me want to eat more steak and buy a pure-bred dog just to spite them. Don’t they realize that they’d make more impact if they kept their mouths SHUT?
Many dog breeds now suffer from inbreed illness, such as blindness,bone and joint issues, heart problems..etc…
But a bunch of people running a dog in a circle, is not a parallel between the KKK, and PETA knows it.
No one takes this organization seriously anymore, they have quickly turned the corner from reputable animal rights organization to a radical group behaving just as poorly as the people they’re against.
I wish PETA would pull it’s head out of it’s own tight ass and either do something to REALLY help, or STFU already.
Not only gait Swede, Darla needs to understand that GSDs aren’t designed to flee from predators the way graceful long legged running antelope are.
GSDs make quick side to side and sudden burst movements when herding. Sheep aren’t lightweight either, full grown sheep run upwards of 180 pounds. There’s no way an antelope built dog like a greyhound or a dalmatian could body block and deter sheep from leaving the field. GSDs are ready to spring upwards, thus the wound up leg.
As for bulldogs, they were used to bite and hold onto large chunks of a bull’s flesh, wearing them down. The shorter the snout, the stronger the jaw. Their sunk in snout means the nose is protected by the forehead (the thickest part of a skull). Additionally they can breathe while their mouth is full. That face may look ugly (or so ugly it’s cute) but it has a purpose.
Yes, there are breeds that seem to be going the wrong direction due to human preference, but they’re largely dogs that aren’t bred to perform tasks. And remember, before we made pets out of dogs, they excelled in specific functions where humans could not. Dogs enabled human civilization. The AKC and similar organizations strive to preserve historical traits, they’re not the ones backing novelty breeds.
And back on the PeTA topic, any group that has to verbally explain their demonstration isn’t demonstrating right.
Minnow, thanks for the clarification and education on the English Bulldog. From your earlier posts, it sounds like you’re a Dalmation person and know about the dog show world. I’ve got Australian Shepherds and Border collies and show in Conformation, Obedience, Agility, and Herding, which makes me a very broke boy. Maybe we’ll meet ringside sometime in the future, I’m in Central Cal, but travel out of state a lot.
I remember when PeTa started out, they did some great things. Somewhere, they turned into ecco-terrorists. It’s a shame that a bunch of idiots are now running the asylum.
I can’t decide whether to ask Emily or Minnow to be my new BFF.
You’ll have to fight me for Minnow, Beige. We’ve already established that we’re basically sisters.
oh wow, do i love PETA…always there when i’m having a bad day and need to laugh…
as long aw we’re talking about tv shows, lets just do one on the best PETA exploits for the week, that would be hilarious
Sorry Swede and Minnow, not buying the argument that the gait-altered German Shepard or “GSD” and the bulldog types with their malaligned jaws and mutated skulls are genetic improvements. That’s the byline breeders use, (and the announcer at Westminster) when referring to the “historical” use and “development” of the “modern” dog, but the reality is that a modern bulldog couldn’t get enough air to hang onto a bull’s nose (and by the way, you won’t see anybody using a bulldog for cattle work)nor could it even exert itself long enough to catch one or launch itself high enough. Also their teeth are so crooked it’s doubtful they could grab onto anything more than a dog treat (broken in half so they can chew it) . As for the German Shepard, give me a break. The show dog version of a German Shepard is a far cry from the mostly imported police dog type. I worked in a veterinary hospital for 8 years and have seen umpteen-many xrays of crippled purebred dogs, every kind of genetic abnormality and immune disorder related to inbreeding and attended many C-sections of bulldog types that could not whelp their own puppies due to narrow hips, as well as being quite familiar with the respiratory risks of even anesthetising them (ever intubate a bulldog? I have). ANYWAY, the point I am trying to make is that PETA does everybody concerned with animal welfare a huge disservice by their idiotic efforts, which is a shame because some of the issues they try to educate people about are actually important. But, most of time, they are just a ridiculous sideshow, employing equally ridiculous celebrities and attracting what I call the “humaniac” sector.
Last year’s Westminster winner Uno did a lot more for humanity during his tenure than PETA ever has for animals in its entire existence.
Cheers for this year’s winner, Stump!
Yep Swede, I’m a broke doggie person too.
I run dalmatians in road trials, which is alongside a horse over a 25 mile route with natural obstacles and distractions. I’m sure PeTA would have a piranah picnic over us if they knew we existed; but these dogs love to run, which you must totally understand. It’s amazing to see family dals, many from fenced yards, fall into perfect line with a horse as if they’d been doing it their whole life. Genetics are such a wonderment.
Our whole family does agility with dals who don’t have the blood to run tials, but that’s mostly my husband’s domain. It started when we began placing rescue dogs, as a way to help new owners provide a release of energy for their dogs.
My daughter just started novice handling with our Irish Setter, thus we’re doing lots of reading on breeds and groups recently. That’s why the bulldog info was so fresh in my mind
I purposefully run males so that I’m not tempted into breeding. My pocketbook isn’t that deep.
Coming from Beige and MC, I’m flattered.
Honestly Beige, you’ve had me blowing tea outta my nose more than once this week!
Darla, I agree 100% on your points about the Bulldog and Peta. We are going to have to agree that we disagree about GSD’s. Yes, I have seen GSD’s go down due to bad hips, however, the dogs that I met in Germany did not have that problem and lived/worked until they were retired. My friend will usually start rotating his dogs out of the herding work when they reach about 7-10 years old. He then uses the older dogs as trainers for the new ones. It seems to me that many of the problems you’ve encountered were from bad breeding practices by careless breeders. BTW, the “gate-altered” GSD’s, not true. According to many smart breed people, the gait hasn’t changed in over a 100 years.
Minnow, that would be something to see with the Dals. Good luck to your daughter in Junior handling. I still have friends from my JH days, and that was 35 years ago. Man it sucks getting old!
Probro- I’d watch it. Especially if it was on Animal Planet.
Darla wrote: “[I'm not buying that] malaligned jaws and mutated skulls are genetic improvements.”
Neither Swede nor I said they were improvements. Those characteristics exist, I’m not making a judgement as to their merit. I’m simply relating their purpose.
So what do you propose to do about such malformed animals then? How do you plan to fix millions of years of genetic selection (manipulated and natural)? What’s your grand plan for new encompassing, compassionate breeding laws?
Chances are that you Darla, have never stopped to consider what to do about it.
But I can absolutely guarantee you that thousands of responsible breeders have.
While we’re calling out hypocrites….
“Well, maybe that’s because fast-food ads don’t show lingerie models rubbing Big Macs all over themselves and licking french fries suggestively.”
To which I say: Doesn’t anyone remember that Carl’s Jr commercial with a bikini-clad Paris Hilton parading around in high heels, making out with a burger and humping a wet, soapy car?
I know its fun to hate on PETA, but glorifying buger chains in the process is a bit much!
i am a vegan, but i am one of the many that thinks peta is just stupid. You can’t assume that every advocate for animal rights is a die hard supporter of PETA. While i do think that slaughterhouses can easily be compared to the Holocaust, Peta is all about getting attention by doing stupid , which draws attention away from the big issues. they’re sexist anyway
I just want to jump in briefly to say that I think it’s great everyone is handling their arguments really well in this thread for the most part. It’s nice to see people on both sides of a debate respecting the other’s right to speak while still trying to respectfully inform them. Now if only Peta could take such a respectful and informative stance maybe they wouldn’t be so hated.
Minnow: perhaps at least problem is just as you wrote in that “THOUSANDS of breeders have”. Let’s see, “THOUSANDS” x an average litter of puppies….you do the math. That’s a lot of dogs. I have no “Grand Plan” to offer, was only offering some education and the opinion that PETA does animal welfare a disservice. One answer to the problem is to adopt a pet rather than buy one from a breeder. I’ve said all I care to here. Thanks for listening.
“While i do think that slaughterhouses can easily be compared to the Holocaust”
A statement like that completely invalidates anything moderate or reasoned in your entire argument. What exactly is comparable? That many lives are lost? That’s about all that can be argued. Now, lets count the reasons that comparison is complete bullshit.
1. The most important point in my opinion – slaughter houses aren’t run by the species that is being slaughtered. The most repulsive and deplorable part of the Holocaust is that is was perpetrated by human beings against their own people.
2. Animals raised for slaughter are (for obvious reasons) not starved, tortured, mocked, experimented on, ect.
3. For all the talk of “animals not being able to speak for themselves”, they have hundreds of mouthpiece organizations lobbying for their benefit (generally to the detriment of humans) – who exactly was lobbying for the Jews in Europe during the Holocaust? Hell, a third of the major Allies (the USSR and China) were too busy killing their own ‘undesirables’ to notice a few million Jews dropping off the face of the Earth, let alone true believers in their own racial superiority like the Germans and Japanese.
4. Animals actually get the benefit of a humane, terror-free death.
5. Societal benefit – there was no ‘purpose’ for killing the Jews beyond perceived revenge and racial dogma. Slaughter for no purpose is an ugly and nearly entirely human concept. Slaughter for food on the other hand is an accepted practice by a large percentage of the animal population on this planet. It can again be argued that we’re far more compassionate in slaughtering the animals we feed off of than most carnivores. If you don’t believe me, watch internet footage of a wolf taking down and feeding on an animal. They’ll show the chase on the Discovery Channel, but never the actual feeding. The reason for that is that the wolves rarely feel the need to finish off the animal before they start eating, and it can get pretty gruesome.
I could go on all day, but you get the picture. There is no possible way you can compare the Holocaust to the modern slaughter industry. To try and do so is an insult to the memories of those who perished and their descendants. It’s always nice when people take up that stance though, as most of us want to be able to readily identify those who would compare the value of our lives to those of a chicken.
ScottF: You? Are so awesome I have to look away. That kind of moral equivalence (“You frowned at me! It’s just like the HOLOCAUST!”) makes me sick. Try using the term “abortion holocaust” and see how PETA and their fans react.
“me”: Thanks for invalidating the deaths of every Jewish victim of the Nazis and the lives of every one of them who managed to escape.
Darla wrote: “I’ve said all I care to here.”
Why do so many people drop out when the conversation gets interesting?
Hey ‘Sneer, Simon, & Holly?
Comment #49 needs to be bronzed and placed under a spotlight, smack dab in the center of the Deceiver Museum of Awesomenessitude.
I agree with Minnow. Scott, you said everything that went through my head when I read that asinine comment but in much more logical ways.
I agree with everyone else about Scott F’s comment. I can only shake my head in wonderment and start a slow clap.
Minnow, you said, “Why do so many people drop out when the conversation gets interesting?”
Lately I’ve come to the realization that people don’t know how to argue constructively anymore. If people disagree about something, they usually either back off from the topic (because they want to stay friends, and apparently friends aren’t allowed to have differences of opinion) or they get belligerent, state their view and then run off. I blame the media, as usual.
Too bad. These bastards were right across the street from my office, and I wasn’t there to deliver them an ass-kicking?
I agree with Minnow, Beige, MC Mom and the rest. Scott F.’s comment is pure gold, simply brilliant. Having been to a few ex-Concentration Camps in Germany, these scum from PETA have no idea what they are talking about. I think it’s a corollary to MC Mom’s post – not only do people not know how to argue anymore, they are completely clueless about history. This has to do with the fact that kids are indoctrinated at school, not taught. Many wouldn’t question someone putting a plastic bag over their head if their teachers told them it was a good thing.
good job on this witty report simon. loved the comparisons you made. PETA’s actions, although idealistically admirable just seem to come across as idiotically stupid.