Who knew Ellen Degeneres had an investigative reporter bone in her body? She grilled P. Diddy when he stopped by her show this week about WTF he was thinking when he offered Rihanna and Chris Brown the private use of his Miami estate shortly after the whole hitting-Rihanna-in-the-face scandal broke.
Clearly uncomfortable by the line of questioning – the talk show host raised the issue by asking Diddy to “clear something up” – the music mogul was initially defensive about his reasons for inviting the two to his Star Island home. (Brown was photographed jet skiing near the house, prompting criticism on the Web of his seemingly carefree behavior in light of the serious legal issues pending.)
“It’s my house, and I’m allowed to give my house to whoever I want to give my house to,” Diddy said on the show. “I don’t cast a stone – cast judgment on anybody. So, if friends ask me for a favor, then I’m going to be there for a favor as long as I know the energy of the favor is positive.”
Plus, Diddy added that he believes it’s positive for “two people to sit down and talk about a situation they’re in.”
He also cautions to be wary of jumping to conclusions, saying, “We don’t know exactly what’s going on. There are two young individuals [involved]. We need to pray for them.”
But, he told DeGeneres, “I don’t think it’s right for anybody to hit anybody.”
Emphasis on the last line. Except there’s the time Diddy was picked up by the cops for slugging a guy in a club over some bullshiz. Or when he punched a guy in the jaw at an Oscars party. This is the guy who, as Puff Daddy, stood trial back in the day over illegal firearm charges. True or false: A thug is the ideal spokesman for what is and isn’t acceptable when it comes to violence.
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P. Diddy, or whatever he’s calling himself these days is a moron and just another vaguely relevant celebrity trying to get a little publicity over this incident whether it’s good or bad. Who hasn’t weighed in on this smack down? Where’s Larry Merchant when you need him?
But remember – it’s a cultural thing.
Diddy is not the moron , Rihanna is the moron for talking to him.
p diddy is a douche PERIOD. chris brown is an a hole for hitting a woman and rihanna is a moron for taking him back (if she did) so this whole thing is weird.
I cannot stand that man! I saw the show and he was acting like a complete total asshole that he is. “I don’t think it’s right for anybody to hit anybody” says the man who’s been abusing Kim Porter for 10 yrs! I couldn’t beleive what I was hearing…I’m not a violent person, but I just want to tie this asshole and Chris Brown together, then pick up something heavy and just…beat them. Hopefully, to their death. May be it’s not right for anybody to hit anybody, but I’m willing to make an exception.
This is so cultural I can’t comment on this.
Is this what Chris meant by his homies sticking with him on this?
This is what people are like and what men are like alot. Celebs are the worst, they approach you with the abuse that they continue with and then they get all of their friends to surround you and tell you that there is somthing wrong with you for not liking it.
This is what they are doing when they go out with unknowns, they are grooming this person just like any abuser would. They use their money to control you; but you have to be for sale in the first place to fall for it.
In short they are lowlife!
Does anybody really believe that black Americans are well-served or well-represented by celebrities like this? Are THESE the role models that black parents want their kids to have? There used to be people like W.E.B. Dubois, George Washington Carver, Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, etc., who had had hard lives and had faced obscene injustices, and had risen above it, not wallowed in crap like these freaks do now. There used to be people who deserved respect, but it seems that for blacks and whites alike, the scummier the person, the more overpaid and famous he or she gets.
What, exactly, do P. Douche, Rihanna, or Chris “Stick with me while I beat my bitch” Brown actually contribute to anyone’s life? Why are THEY famous, when there are black surgeons, firefighters, attorneys, teachers, people who actually work and learn and contribute? The same question applies to any ethnic group, of course, but it’s these three cretins we’re discussing here.
Parents should be their children’s role models not stars.
Yes there are still good people around, but there is no money in it so they don’t get their faces pasted all over here!
Correction – there is money in it but you have to wait and work hard to get yours. These celebs want everything yesterday and last week! Plus they sure as hell don’t want to try hard for it. Why write good music and hone your voice when you can flash some skin, play the game and win riches. Nobody will be talking about these people after they are dead, becasue it is what you have done that lives beyond you, not who you are dating and where you shop. I don’t even listen to these people and I am not too sure why I am on this thread. I guess I am just bored; yes that’s it.
These celebs are morons and more entertaining off stange than on. Am I being cruel? Yes but the truth hurts!
That should be:
“These celebs are morons and more entertaining off stage than on. Am I being cruel? Yes but the truth hurts!”
Thanks!
Beige, you bring up a good point. I am a big believer that a child’s primary role model should be one or both of their parents because they are the ones obligated to set a good example for a child. No one else really has that obligation, though it gets thrust upon atheletes, musicians, actors, and other celebrities whether they seek it out or not. However, given that kids do look up to these people and it sometimes cannot be helped, I feel strongly that even if a celebrity is not out to sell themselves to kids as a role model, that they should at least represent themselves as decent human beings. It’s not just about the kids, it’s about human decency.
An example I like to use is Madonna. She was always about pushing the envelope and sex, and she’s always done exactly what she’s wanted to do with minimal talent. Why? She is a PR genius. Whatever sort of bad influence a person feels she could be, and as big a hypocrite, control freak, whack job she is, she sets a very good example in that she is business savvy, you don’t see her stumbling out of clubs, strung out on drugs and alcohol, and she promotes a healthy lifestyle, even if it is extreme. She works very hard, and though her relevance has faded, as it would after so long in the business, she is still in the business, which says a lot. If I had kids, I would rather them look up to her than someone like Rihanna, who goes running back to the guy that smacked her down and will probably be dead or forgotten, possibly both, within five years.
Yes, and we all SHOULD be at our ideal weights, with flattering hairstyles. I know what you’re saying, and it’s true, but that isn’t how it goes, apparently. Presumably, parents have always been the (theoretically) ideal role models, but back in the day, there were adults outside our families whom we wanted to emulate, for good reasons.
Now, all we’ve got are douchebags of both genders, who can’t stay out of jail or rehab or divorce court long enough to wash their frigging hair themselves, and they presume to tell us how to vote and live our lives, and lots of us are stupid enough to LISTEN.
Maybe I’m just grumpy b/c I was the first person to beta-test dirt. I don’t know.
Madonna a role model??? LOL!!!! I’m out!
Yep, I barely care! ya missed the entire point. LOL
No I didn’t i just think you are wrong. Is that OK with you???
Honestly, I could care less if you think I am wrong, but I still think you are missing the point. And yes, that’s okay with me. Thanks for asking.
(Long time reader, first time poster) While I agree that parents should be the role models, not all parents are good people to look up to. I also feel its natural for children to idolized someone, at some point in their life. Who doesn’t want to be rich and famous as a kid? To be something other than “ordinary”? It is the parents job to pay attention to the role models their kids choose at the time and have dicussion on why the people are positive or negative role models.
Just to add to my previous post, I barely care! just saying you think someone is wrong without bothering to explain why, as most people on this site do, is why I believe you are missing the point. Part of what makes this site fun is that when people disagree, they stimulate the conversation by expanding on why they do so. It’s not about the fact that you disagree – big whoopie – I’m not here for anyone’s approval. It’s about enlightening us as to why and actually sparking an interesting discussion.
You will only believe that I am not missing the point if I agree with you, because you seem like that type.
My reasons as to why would be too long and this is a celeb gossip blog for Christs sake, so why would I bother. Also I am just giving my opinion in a nutshell and not trying to convince anyone of anything. You can think what you like and I shall think what I like and never the twain shall meet.
Actually IBC, it would seem you don’t know Chronic.
I’m sure she’s wanted to drive an oaken stake between my eyeballs on at least a couple of occasions, yet we continue to have lovely conversations.
FWIW, I got what you were saying, CM, even though I wouldn’t wipe my muddy boots on Madonna. Relatively speaking, she’s “clean”, unless you’re referring to STDs, in which case she’s like the Samantha Brown of diseases.
“You seem like that type” is brilliant reasoning, by the way.
I barely care! You make interesting assumptions about people you don’t know or have never communicated with until about an hour ago. Your brilliant reasoning, as Beige pointed out, speaks volumes.
Minnow, you know I think you kick ass and I promise I would never use my stake on you. I’m of the opinion that debate is a good thing and disagreement doesn’t equate to dislike.
Beige, I am not a fan of Madonna’s myself. Yeah, there are songs here and there over the past few decades that I like, but I’ve never idolized her like a lot of little girls my age did when she first came out. I just think that if a kid is going to look up to someone in the entertainment business, that an independent, clean living (not in reference to STDs… LOL), successful, and strong individual like Madonna is far better than a Rihanna, Britney, or Lindsay. She’s been around for nearly thirty years and still has a huge fan base, and she has handled every scandal that’s touched her career in such a way that it’s worked in her favor. Few people can say that.
My parents were surprisingly cool with my sister and I listening to Madonna for those reasons when I was younger. They saw past the wedding dress stage gyrations and the infamous “Like a Prayer” video and understood that it didn’t mean I wanted to do the same. I didn’t, by the way. They always pointed out that if you are going to idolize someone, that you do it for the right reasons. But then, my parents talked to me. I was one of those kids that was allowed to watch rated R movies and have music that Tipper Gore deemed too mature for me because my parents knew that I wasn’t going to be influenced to do something stupid by that. The stupid things I did came from a totally different place.
Thanks!
Madonna started out as a dancer. One of her former dance school teachers said that she dropped out because studying dance was hard work and included long hours. These were the actual reasons that Madonna gave when she left. So you see that she ended up in the right place with her minimal talent.
She has made some good/mediocre tunes, but it has never been about the music; only about selling sex and because she made lots of money out of it she is a role model??? If getting rich is all that matters then drug dealers are role models too.
It ain’t what you do it’s the way that you do it.
I have always found Madonna’s attempts at being intellectual laughable, because everything she does is two dimensional. Bjork has more intellect in a single hair on her head.
You seem to be looking up to her wealth and there our values are different (never the twain shall meet)
This completes the long short version of my reasoning – thank you and goodnight!
This makes me forgive Ellen for the whole weird dog thing. And I saw the look in her eyes. It looked like she wanted to either spit on P. Dildo or beat him to death. Maybe if these celebrities get called out more often by other famous people, they’d start acting somewhat decent.
I just wanted to post this as this makes me sad.
http://www.click2houston.com/entertainment/18923320/detail.html
IMO, you all have brought out good points except for one thing. What I have seen in the past, most kids these days idolize the person with the most “bling” on them, roll in a $70k car and do the least amount of work. Times have changed from when we were kids. When I was growing up, it was Sandy Kofax. It seems today that when a kid looks to his parent(s) for guidence/roll model, what they see is a person working two jobs, barely home, always tired, or worse, just don’t care. Yet when they hit the street, they see some guy hanging out on the street corner with lots of bling and cash. Or they see some knucklehead on TV with the Mr. T starter kit on, Ms. no-talent making big bucks and they want that for themselves. What kid wouldn’t want that. No work = big bucks? When compared to what they see in the home, “That’s for me” phrase comes out.
Just mt Thoughts.
To Swede0319:
It’s a Catch 22 society says that if you don’t have money you are nothing. What struggling parents teach their children is totally spiritual, but that seems to mean nothing in the glare of bling.
I despise these types of celebs because they perpetuate the whole thing. I recently watched a documentary about Bollywood and the way that the actresses are expected to exchange sex for parts. One actress (quite famous in India) sat there smug as all hell telling the world that those those girls who didn’t were nowhere now. I guess that she is somewhere so she doesn’t have to worry. In giving in she has made it so that no actress can work unless they do. Do you think that if every actress said no they would just stop making films. Not a chance; there is too much money too be made. If they all had some self repect and said no, nobody would have too and everyone with talent would be working.
People have forgotten that you can make money in an honest way. It will take on longer because it is the road less travelled. We can all get rich being cheap, nasty and dumb!
P.S. There were some actresses that appeared in the documentary to complain that they had slept with producers based on promises that were then broken. Is is cruel of me to laugh? Maybe but I will do it anyway because it serves them right. LOL!!!!!
Much better and worthy of a response now, IBC.
I don’t see it as looking up to her wealth so much as it is looking up to the hard work she has chanelled into getting to where she is today, and the fact that she’s where she is today because of that, and because she has not fallen into the typical pitfalls that a lot of artists get mixed up in. The wealth is actually secondary. And there is nothing wrong or immoral with vast amounts of wealth if you are willing to work for it, and indeed, come by it honestly.
That she dropped out of dance class and was in the right place at the right time can be interpreted in a number of different ways. A lot of people choose not to put in the work necessary for something that they are not overly interested in. A lot of people who turned out to be geniuses were horrible students.
She’s selling sex, music, and herself, but she’s doing it well. We all have the option of not buying it, but people do buy it because she makes it appealing to a lot of people who are way bigger fans than most of us here. She doesn’t have to be a great intellectual. She has only had to be intelligent enough to make the right desicions throughout her career to become the icon that she is. She’s obviously doing something right.
I agree with Swede0319 that a lot of kids make the mistake of looking up to the bling. What they fail to recognize is that it takes a lot of work to attain that bling and think that it all comes very easily. When a child is shown that it doesn’t come easily, even for that no talent on TV, because it generally doesn’t despite what we are told about “overnight success”, then they are redirected into putting importance on the hard work and drive rather than merely the end result.
Getting back to Rihanna… I’m sure she’s had to work very hard to get to where she is. However, she’s throwing it away with both hands, just like Lindsay Lohan and a bunch of other idiots out there today. There is a lesson there too.
To CM:
Yes not getting drunk and becoming a drug addict makes you a totally sound human being, duh! How two dimensional like your idol.
I guess a lot of these people turn to drugs to numb the pain of the memories of what they have had to do to get the money. Others are introduced to it by their managers to keep them (the cash cow) under control. Anna Nicole Smith anyone.
Don’t worry about that though, just grab that dough and teach society to do the same.
BetC, I saw that a few weeks ago and it was pretty sickening to even read. Sad, I know.
Don’t patronise me Chronic Malanga. I wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire and I am not going to read your response.
Who do you think you are, because I am here to tell you that you are not!
IBC, again you are making assumptions about me. Furthermore, if you are actually reading any of these posts, you will know that Madonna is not and has never been my idol. In fact, I can’t think of any famous person I idolized as a kid other than Maria Reich. If you want to lower yourself to insulting me (weakly at that) and cherry picking what I put in a post so that you can twist it way out of context, then you can act the troll on your own.
You are also assuming that these people are turning to drugs for reasons that you decide fit into your narrow view of celebrities, and indeed, people in general.
You are making grand assumptions about wealth and greed, as though making money were some sort of sin, when it isn’t. Granted, making money the one priority in your life is shallow and rather sad, but demonizing it with such conviction is not only just as shallow, but dangerously Commie minded.
So, since you have no idea how to have an adult discussion without trying to tear others down and pull what people say out of context, I have nothing more to say to you. You aren’t disagreeing so much as you are going out of your way to be a child.
How funny. I hadn’t posted my response before IBC took his/her ball and went whining home.
Aww, CM. Cut IBC some slack. Ever since No Child Left Behind was enacted, sixth grade has gotten really, really hard.
Aww, CM. Cut IBC some slack. Ever since No Child Left Behind was enacted, sixth grade has gotten really, really hard.
Beige did you take a Smartass pill? Because that was funny!
Oh Beige, congrats on our win! We so rock!
lol!!
I was so wrong to jump to conclusion about you people – wasn’t I.
If it looks like shit and smells like shit it’s shit! I will leave you to those who agree with you. You’re in the right place Riri obviously feels that she needs to stick around for another ten years and not assume that Chris will hit her again just because he has done it once and P. Idiot agreed and between them both he and Chris bullied and manipulated her until she believes that she is wrong to trust her own common sense and gut feeling.
However, I don’t bend to the whimps of people like you and them. I’m stronger than that so (& that just kills you doen’t it), keep going….
Trash – all of you!
P.S. I didn’t go to sixith grade, but i did go to university; they don’t teach us how to play the fool there either.
-Grin-
Well, you didn’t learn to spell, wherever you went. Let’s see, that’s a heaping helping of “You suck”, and it goes nicely with today’s special, which is “Bugger off”, with a nice side of “For someone who ‘barely cares’, you keep coming back here and posting an awful lot”. Enjoy your table by the dumpster.
Maybe he just thinks Chris needs some work on his back hand. What? He probably has a tennis court there, geez.
ha, ha I enjoy annoying you sheeple!!
Looks like I touched a nerve!!!
-Grin-
P.S. I am glad that you think I suck because I have no need to be “down” with people like you.
-Grin-
Sigh. You don’t annoy anyone. You just embarrass yourself, but you’re really too much of a size 9 asshat to realize it. We’re not laughing AT you, we’re…oh, yeah. We are laughing at you. And in the event you’re that Liverpudlian wankfest, bear in mind that Leona Lewis blows circus midgets for postage stamps. Hee.
Sheeple? Do people still say that?
Surely you must have some simple minded jackass response to my last comment??
It would be out of character if you didn’t…
I think a fight to the death is going to be the only way to let you people know who you are dealing with. Surely you can’t still be having a tantrum because I am not putty in your hands. But you keep trying because you enjoy it. Very Masonic – when dealing with women always bring a whip. Lowlife!
You give off so much negativity it’s pitiful.
-Grin-
Nothing!
OK then well I’ll say goodnight, have a good life and if it makes you feel any better you can fantasise about having control over me; it doesn’t have to be true
-Hug-
A little intense in here today – whew –
This article is very sad…
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/03/13/many_boston_teens_surveyed_say_rihanna_is_at_fault_for_assault/
Beige, you crack me up!!! Oh wow.
And what the hell was IBC rattling on about putty and control for? Talk about losing the plot. And all because he/she/it feels superior to anyone that doesn’t think exactly the same. Whatever. I haven’t seen anything so childish and desperate for attention since I last saw the Perez Hilton comment section that starts off with “FIRST!!” every time. Yeah, I sometimes still go there to see what that douche is up to.
Anyhow, getting back to the topic at hand that I apologize for derailing because IBC happened to catch me at a cranky moment, that article jenn and BetC pointed out is really a sad statement for this generation. The original article I read was out of Chicago, though. Did they do this survey in that many cities with the same result? I haven’t read the Boston one in the link above yet. I still have a few things to do before I settle in and read stuff.
Yeah, I saw that too, Jen.
I’d question the validity of that kind of poll though, they generally ask the question so as to get a one word response. Remember, polls never record what comes after “yes” or “no” which can often be a qualifier which changes the entire scope of the intended question.
“Do you eat chocolate?” “No, I’m on a diet.”
“Do you ever drink and drive?” “Yes, I have a water bottle in the car.”
“Do you know any men who wear dresses?” “Yes, I live in Scotland.”
“Is Rihanna responsible for her beating?” “Yes, since she shot off his billy-jeff with a pump action rifle, the slap that came after was well deserved.”
Wait, did someone just use a non-ironic ’sheeple’? Isn’t that the new Godwin’s Law?
It says a lot that I can agree with your opinion about Madonna and still think you’re off your damn nut. This is a blog. Ad hominum attacks may be the norm but it hardly makes you look less like a douche.
BILLY-JEFF? That was awesome. Lovely and amazing. Makes me want to have a “fight to the death”.
On the INTERNET. Hee, hee. “Ooohh, arrrggghhh. Puuuuuutttttyyyyy.” So help me, that was at once the funniest and saddest thing ever.
As for the poll of highschoolers: Remember being a highschooler? Remember how, whenever you were presented with opinion polls like that one, you’d automatically give the silliest, most bizarre answers, just to skew the results and mess with the pollsters?
Or was I the only one? Okay, then.
I’m just saying, it’s not a given that teenagers really think that.
On the other hand, the YouTube comments on stuff related to this little kerfuffle…well, they’re almost entirely composed of illiterate versions of “We aint be know teh hole storrey she done hit him 2″, so maybe the poll IS accurate after all.
That’s the thing about those polls. I used to give bizzare answers when I was surveyed for anything in high school. Thinking back, I was just the average high school girl, but if you went by the polls, it would have told a very different story. However, if that poll is even somewhat accurate, it wouldn’t shock me either. I’ve seen things and heard things while living in Miami that made Jerry Springer look like a day with the Cleavers. Couple that with some of the comments that Beige mentioned from a glance at YouTube, and those results aren’t shocking at all.
I sort of like the idea that maybe the kids taking the poll were having a laugh.
“I used to give bizzare answers when I was surveyed for anything in high school.”
Me too. My prom theme suggestion actually made it onto the ballot:
A Night with the Third Reich.
T’wasn’t my fault the student council president didn’t have an adult proof the ballot before she ran 600 copies…
That’s classic, Minnow!!!
If I remember correctly, according to some of the surveys I filled out, I was a member of the Church of Satan, had tried angel dust on more than one occasion, believed that the athletic department should be abolished, and that I was of Inuit stock. Those were obviously anonymous and complete BS on my part.
But none of that touches A Night with the Third Reich. The mental image of decorating for that prom is priceless.
I love madonna and I’m a 25 year old black woman.I loved the like a prayer video that touched on racism in the legal system…showed a black Jesus…and religious taboos.I don’t agree with everything she’s done, but she has been one to try and break down walls in regards to race gender and sexuality.her point was I can do what I want and you will still respect me.everyone here would never go up and talk crazy to madonna.I will date be friends with whatever race or gender I please and you may not like it but you will respect it and you will not beat me down for it.I will be sexual as a woman and not be beaten down for it.of course there was a little look at me in there.madonna doesn’t have STD’s. she has never been in any DUI or any logan situation there or no sex tapes.there was just an endorsement deal she lost with coca cola for the like a prayer video which showed a black Jesus who got arrested for a white mans crime.it happens
baz, I totally agree. I think that Madonna did a lot more for women in general than a lot of women are loathe to recognize.
However, the guy in the video was not meant to be Jesus, but rather, St. Martin de Porres. I don’t want to sound like I am nit picking and trying to be a jackass in correcting you, but this is a common misconception about the video, though it doesn’t change the issues it touched upon.
Former Catholic shutting up now.
My first sentence made no sense and should read: “Madonna did a lot more for women than they would like to admit and loathe to recognize it.”