Exciting news for those of you eating vegan in Los Angeles! At your local “vegan” restaurants, a few of your entrées might not be so animal-free.
Trace amounts of animal protein in vegan restaurants? Nooooo, say it ain’t so!
Quarrygirl.com details their testing of specific dishes from seventeen area restaurants. It turns out that TEN had traces of animal protein (you know — eggs, milk, and shellfish) in their food.
Basically, you can say you’re a vegan restaurant even if you’re putting animal products in your food. No biggie.
It’s nice to know that even if you’re trying to please the PETA police by eating vegan or owning a vegan restaurant, someone out there will inevitably try to expose you.
Side note: Conducting this little scientific study to prove that vegan restaurants aren’t really animal-free cost these sweethearts $1,000. Of their own money. Great investment there, guys.
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Hitler was a vegetarian.
I’m rather dubious about the science of this investigation, but I want the outcome to be true so I’ll gloss over it.
Anyone dumb enough to put their body through veganism deserves to be deceived like this!
Or are vegetarians Hitler? Hmmm…
There is a HILARIOUS photo at Failblog.org about veganism vs. eating meat.
I think the whole idea that a bunch of pixiebutts are now feeling retroactively defiled by animal products is hysterically funny.
Lara, don’t I think it’s necessary to bring in the nutritonal effects of adopting a plant-based diet, or to insult the people who do (a] because there’s a TON of contradictory information on the subject and b] vegans who aren’t PETArds read this blog).
On the actual topic–
Most people with any common sense at all know that traces of all kinds of shit (and I do mean shit–not just, you know, chemicals, or animal proteins in this case) show up in fast food chains and restaurants. I’m not the least bit surprised someone found this out.
The fact that they wasted their own money to prove what most of us already know is the dumb part.
Seventeen. Seventeen vegan restaurants when I wouldn’t think there would be room for two.
“Here’s your lettuce, and carrots that’ll be 50 bucks.”
Man what a scam. How do I get in on this?
Well, that IS false advertising, so they might be able to sue and recoup their losses. I don’t care if people want to live off purple crayons as long as they don’t try to make me adhere to their diet. I feel kind of bad for the animals, but not bad enough to ditch meat. There is a very funny song by Reel Big Fish about vegetarians…
Beige, I stumbled upon that earlier today! (I probably got there many links after clicking one posted here somewhere, which is why we both saw it). I don’t know if that was farked or not, but notice the lack of phone-number tabs! Hilarious, like you said. “METH BIBLE CAMP Rd” also noteworthy.
There’s a road sign outside our building, the kind that hangs over an intersection — it says ACME BLVD on one side, and ACME BVLD on the other (can’t have anyone Google-Earthing the real name, now, can I).
Having dealt with vegan fanatics in my line of work, I can say that “veganism” is combination of obsessive–compulsive disorder and self-delusion. Vegans (of the fanatical variety, although I have my doubts that any other varieties exist) have an incessant need to self-validate, to convince themselves that what they are doing is truly helping the animals, the environment, and all of humankind, through a kind of warped culture and language. If most vegans seem like programmed zealots, it’s because…well, they are. The need to self-validate is especially strong, which includes activities like searching for statistics or “research” that one-sidely supports their ideology; they are self-programmed animal-centric zombies that use terminology (e.g., “specism”, et cetera) to self-reinforce, even to the point of behavioral self-training. I remember these two vegan protesters who happened to be in my “care” and who, quite simply, caught sight of some birds flying overhead. They decided to look up and smile. Now, there’s nothing wrong with that, really. Myself and anyone else here can see something interesting and smile. Except that I noticed they had the EXACT same smile, the EXACT same look of “admiration”, the EXACT same tilt of head: and all of this was pronounced so as to attract the attention of passersby (“Hey, what’re they lookin’ up at?”). Anyway, I found it oddly disconcerting at the time, and it kinda gives me a headache thinking about it.
L.A. Vegan Restaurants Aren’t So Vegan
Generally true!
Speaking from the technology and research perspective, the kits used by the vegan enthusiasts in testing these foods (or any foods) require polyclonal antibodies as part of the reagent media. Polyclonal antibodies are animal based.
What really is ‘vegan’?
No one wants rat turds and rodent hair in their food. Rodent and vermin contamination-free grains and seeds are not cruelty free either, even if they are labeled ‘vegan’.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-138145245.html
Coliform testing done for public safety requires animal-based media (peptones). Public water for example, is tested frequently, call your water district. Ice machines can become contaminated, so are problematic and need occasional testing. Readers may be aware of coliform outbreaks with plant based foods, including fresh spinach, nuts, tomatoes, lettuce and more. Due to public health policies, foods are occasionally tested for coliforms.
Where do you draw the line in what is really ‘vegan’? or what is “cruelty free”?
Pastafarian
Can a vegan restaurants have flesh-bar?
Does an ethical vegan restaurant use hand-sanitizer or anti-bacterial soap?
Gully, apologies if I offended you, I was tired and grumpy when I made that comment.
I agree completely that meat-free diets are generally much healthier than ‘normal’ diets but there’s a colossal difference between meat-free and animal-free. I’ve done a lot of reading (and by this I mean scientific journals, not just wikipedia and PETA) on veganism as I considered it myself a few years ago and I just don’t believe it’s viable, reasonable or healthy.
Still, that’s just the conclusions I drew myself and I don’t want to force my views on the matter on anyone.
Semavilady, I didn’t even think about the polyclonal antibody thing… I wonder if anyone’s pointed that out to QuarryGirl, haha.
Who was it that said that vegetarianism and veganism are first-world conceits and that people only abstain from meat because they have the luxury of choice?
I feel so privilaged to live in a state that pretty much laughs at and ridicules vegans that think they are superior to others. Must be why I have never seen one in person.
I think they probably just coo and warble at the E. coli until it gets nauseated and leaves.
I think some of you need to meet some regular vegans before making such judgments. I know a lot are crazy but some are normal people. I was a vegan for about a year in high school and I’m not crazy (I hope. At least I enjoy this website and always try to think for myself.) And my mother is vegan, and has been for years. She’s also quite conservative and voted for Bush.
My point is, not all vegans are die-hard, people-hating ELF members.
I see them all the time in the vitamin aisle, picking up all the iron supplements they can carry. (1 box)
Hey vegans out there, what is the rationale for cutting *all* animal products out of your diet? Are dairy products, eggs and honey somehow bad for you? I don’t understand – please educate me on the reasoning behind this.
Real girls eat meat.
mc mom – dairy is terrible for you. probably worse than meat. the only reason why most people don’t get sick from it is because they’ve been drinking it forever and have a tolerance to it. vegans that switch to vegetarian and start consuming dairy again usually get very ill until their bodies re-adjust.
not to mention cows only produce milk for their babies, like a human. they do not just produce milk for the hell of it, and they no not “need to be milked”. milk is also meant to turn a baby calf into a huge cow in 2 years. think about what that’ll do to your body.
as for eggs, they are loaded with cholesterol. anything that has a liver produces cholesterol. the human body produces enough cholesterol on it’s own, so when you add a bunch from other animal products, that’s how things like heart disease happen. also, a carnivore’s intestinal tract is much shorter and much smoother than a human’s. meat beings to rot inside your intestinal tract and colon, and people that eat meat, especially red meat, regularly, are 30-40% more likely to develop colon cancer. meat eaters are more likely to develop cancer in general.
as far as honey goes, raw honey can be very good for you. but the way it’s farmed kills a lot of bees and it’s basically just stealing. bees are cool, we need them to pollinate our plants, and they’re either dying off or migrating to safe places.
jaime, true raw dairy is good for most people. pasteurization kills enzymes and renders dairy useless. paragraph 3 of your diatribe is completely erroneous. I don’t have the energy or the time to point it all out and you will probably not care anyway but if anyone does care about their health and the truth, check out Dr Michael Eade’s protein power blog, Stephan Guyanette’s blog Whole Health Source, Richard Nikkola’s Free the Animal blog, Weston Price blog, Gary Taube’s book Good Calories Bad Calories. Maybe you’ve never encountered any of the paleo theories yet. I hope you and others take the time to consider this.
not just wimmen…REAL people eat meat. Meat (protein) allowed the human race to evolve and the brain to develop. I forget exactly but the brain is about 70-80% fat (LOTS of cholesterol in the brain).
I love veggies and fruit – with my meat (and I’m NOT talking about factory farmed meat).
Sounds scientific.
jaimie,
“dairy is terrible for you. probably worse than meat. the only reason why most people don’t get sick from it is because they’ve been drinking it forever and have a tolerance to it. vegans that switch to vegetarian and start consuming dairy again usually get very ill until their bodies re-adjust”
Dairy isn’t nutritionally bad actually and as a matter of fact consuming dairy early on is what leads to problems with dairy in the future, not the avoidance of it. This is true even for many vegan staples including citrus, strawberries, nuts and peanuts, and especially soy.
“milk is also meant to turn a baby calf into a huge cow in 2 years. think about what that’ll do to your body”
Human milk is actually far better for a baby human than cows milk as I’m sure you know, but the reason is because human milk is more fattening, not less. The reasons cows get huge after two years of cows milk while a human wouldn’t is because cows eat a lot more. After all, herbivorous dinosaurs didn’t produce milk at all and ate no meat and look at how incredibly huge they became. Obviously a plant based diet will just screw over a human’s body too, eh?
“as for eggs, they are loaded with cholesterol. anything that has a liver produces cholesterol. the human body produces enough cholesterol on it’s own, so when you add a bunch from other animal products, that’s how things like heart disease happen. also, a carnivore’s intestinal tract is much shorter and much smoother than a human’s. meat beings to rot inside your intestinal tract and colon”
True, eggs have a significant amount of cholesterol, but that’s in addition to a veritable treasure trove of nutrients. Eggs would be one of the best foods for a person were it not for the cholesterol and even despite that the debate continues to rage if that’s enough reason to oppose the eating of eggs or not. Basically, as long as someone isn’t eating 3 or 4 eggs for breakfast each morning along with some steak, there shouldn’t be a problem. Oh. And the liver doesn’t produce enough cholesterol on it’s own. True it produces some and the amount of supplementation needed is fairly small, supplementation is still, indeed, needed to maintain a healthy system. Also true is that a carnivore’s intestinal tract is indeed shorter and smoother than a human’s, but not by much. You also seem to have conveniently omitted the fact that a herbivore’s digestive tract is longer and convoluted than a human’s. If you’ll recall, there aren’t just herbivores and carnivores out there. There’s also omnivores which humans naturally fall into according to their physiology. You can also look at teeth to further exemplify this. We have both the flat grinding teeth of herbivores as well as the cutting teeth of carnivores. However, even eyes tell the story of our digestion. Humans have the front based eyes of carnivores and omnivores rather than the side based ones of herbivores. This is due to hunting for food being an evolutionary priority in omnivores and carnivores over the avoidance of being eaten of herbivores. And as for meat rotting inside the intestines, I suppose that could technically be considered true in the exact same way that plant based food rots in the stomach. If you don’t have normal flora decomposing your food at a mutual benefit, then I’d really be concerned for your health.
“people that eat meat, especially red meat, regularly, are 30-40% more likely to develop colon cancer. meat eaters are more likely to develop cancer in general.”
Well that may be true, and I do believe I recall the study quoting the 30-40%, ‘regularly’ was defined as something along the lines of 5 times the daily recommended amount of meat each day. True, there are some people who do indeed eat that much naturally, but most normal people don’t. And as for the developing of cancer in general, that is indeed true when eating the recommended amount of meats, but then the rates are much lower than your aforementioned 30-40%. Not to mention that in the event of cancer, those who haven’t been refraining from eating meat often have better outcomes due to a better immune system. True, more fruits and vegetables might prevent the oxidation reactions that lead to cancer, but eliminating an entire source of nutrition doesn’t do particularly great things for the immune system when it comes to fighting off existing cancer, not to mention any other disease process. Overall, those who consume meat do indeed have higher cancer rates, but it’s offset (or perhaps even more than offset) by increased survival rates when cancer shows up.
“as far as honey goes, raw honey can be very good for you. but the way it’s farmed kills a lot of bees and it’s basically just stealing. bees are cool, we need them to pollinate our plants, and they’re either dying off or migrating to safe places”
I’m not entirely sure how much bee farming you’ve seen personally, but about half of my 15 uncles work on farms and raise bees for honey on the side. They don’t go out killing them when harvesting honey and, because bees are often fed whatever is needed to supplement the lost honey, it’s not entirely stealing since the bees only make honey as a spoilage free food, but a constant food supply kind of solves that problem for them. But again, killing the bees for it, not so much. Sort of like how most factories don’t supply raw minerals to workers, have them make something new, kill them off when finished and expect them to begin production again the next year. At least not any factory I’d want to work at.
MC Mom,
Hopefully some of what I mentioned is helpful to you, too. In short, Milk: If ever worried about fat in milk, get skim. Raw milk is best though if you don’t mind disease risk. People are working on re-adding normal flora after pasteurization though so soon milk should be even better for you. Don’t feed infants cow’s milk if breast milk (preferably) or even formula is an option. In fact, don’t feed infant cow’s milk until maybe 1.5 years due the risk of lifelong allergies. Eggs: Nature’s little vitamin pill. Incredibly nutritious, but has more cholesterol than some would like. Eat in moderation. Also, Egg Beaters (a brand of liquid eggs) seem to cut out most of the cholesterol, but I’m not sure how much nutrition goes with it. Honey: Good for you and a great natural sweetener. Used by ancient Romans in a lot of really good deserts I know of due a lack of knowledge on sugar production back then. Again, don’t give to infants less than 2 (though probably wait until older anyway to be safe) due to botulism found in honey.
Uh Jaime, you didn’t help your cause any with that error filled blather blitz.
Paragraph One:
The fact that a particular person produces or fails to produce enzymes to digest lactose means absolutely nothing about the average nutritional content of dairy products. That’s like me saying that your wool sweater has no insulative abilities because I’m allergic to it.
The fact that you can re-learn to process dairy after a prolonged absence is indicative of the fact that your body does recognize dairy as beneficial.
Paragraph Two:
So if I drink elephant milk, will I end up with a long nose and a desire to dance topless in the circus?
Paragraph Three:
Heart disease happens for a multitude of reasons, and in large part deals more with genetics than diet. Persons with Northern European ancestors are often far more capable of ridding their systems of excessive dietary cholesterol than say those from African or Asian groups. Yes, you can reduce your dietary cholesterol and see health benefits but this is not absolutely true from person to person. I personally eat red meat 2-3 times a week, choose butter over margarine, drink 2% milk daily, and use eggs liberally. As of last month, I have a low-normal LDL cholesterol level, a high-normal HDL level, and normal triglicerides (thank you great-great-great-great-great-great grandma, you really rocked!)
Not all animals are carnivores or herbivores. Remember that omnivore classification? Do you not think there is a typical digestive tract for omnivores? Wishing and diet isn’t going to shorten your intestines sweetie, you were born ideally suited to digest meat with a side of corn nibblets.
You also need to rethink your definition of “rot”. If food didn’t rot or break down into more basic chemical stuctures inside your digestive tract then you’d be popping pristine whole organic carrots and entire loaves of bread out your ass on a daily basis.
And the bee comment? Unless you’re 13, we expect a better level of rhetoric from commentors here.
i actually would like to know what’s so erroneous about my 3rd paragraph. no one has ever died from a cholesterol “deficiency”, but millions have died from having high cholesterol. americans eat more meat than any other country in the world, and we are also plagued with more diseases. look at the japanese and their diet – then look at how many of them smoke cigarettes constantly, and yet lung cancer is nowhere near as big of an issue in japan as it is in the US.
if we were meant to eat meat we’d be equipped to take these animals down with our bare hands and jaws, not to mention devouring pretty much every part of the animal. have you ever seen a cat catch a bird and eat it? i have, and the cat and the whole bird, including feathers and bones. the only meat i could see that humans “should” be eating is fish.
You could try that, Minnow, but we already HAVE a Sarah Jessica Parker.
minnow – the last thing i’m going to do is argue with some snarky, faceless, holier than thou deceiver.com commentor (am i going to turn into an elephant? a-huck yuck!). i’m a vegan and quite frankly i could care less about the health aspects, because that’s not what it’s about for me.
i’m not saying everyone that eats red meat is going to die of heart disease, and i’m not saying anyone who avoids animal products is in the clear. but eating meat does increase risk quite a bit. almost every adult in my immediate family is on lipitor except for me. go grandma.
just because the human body learns to adjust to something doesn’t mean it’s good for the body. i guess heroin is good for us, too. i’ve heard of people eating rotten meat that’s 4 months old on a regular basis, yet i highly doubt there’s going to be a “rotten meat” restaurant opening anytime soon in this country.
http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/ar-news/Week-of-Mon-20040308/021163.html
“if we were meant to eat meat we’d be equipped to take these animals down with our bare hands and jaws”
Yeah, dead on there. Because nothing in nature eats meat that can’t kill said meat with it’s bare hands. See, this is why people laugh at vegans kiddo, you THINK you understand nature, but you try to shove it into a tiny box that only supports your side of the argument.
Ever heard of scavengers? For Christ’s Sake, it’s currently a huge debate as to whether or not even T-Rex might not have regularly killed it’s own food, but rather was a scavenger more akin to a vulture. I have to admit, even with jaws like that, those puny little vestigial arms they had probably didn’t aid much in hunting game.
And speaking of evolution, others on here are totally correct about our change to a meat-based diet being the spark that provided us with the brains necessary to be who we are today. Ever stopped to consider why our intelligence has evolved so quickly over a few thousand years while other (still herbivores) species remained evolutionarily stagnant during the same period?
Protein and fat builds muscle and brains, there’s just no way around that.
If we’re not meant to eat meat and veggies, why do we have the teeth we do?
For your clarification Jaime, well written and properly documented medical study summaries never make use of exclamation marks.
It’s the equivalent of sticking a smiley faced sun in the upper left corner of the Mona Lisa.
re: all that self-important jibber jabber –
http://www.theveganlife.com/articles/comparative-anatomy.html
also, if cholesterol is such brain food that helped our evolution – how come many sharks and snakes haven’t evolved for thousands of years?
you know what? i’m just gonna say what i really think and not come back, because i really don’t care about what your arguments are.
people that eat meat are cunts.
good day!
“you know what? i’m just gonna say what i really think and not come back, because i really don’t care about what your arguments are.
people that eat meat are cunts.”
Gee, why don’t you tell us what you REALLY think? See folks, this is the problem with letting ridiculous dogma run your life – when someone questions it logically enough, your (protein starved) brain just shuts down.
Damn folks, it’s REALLY hard to keep up my reputation as snarky, faceless, and holier than thou when I keep posting under “Anonymous”.
Catharine was making an excellent point and then Jaime came along… it’s good to see that a healthy sense of being able to debate things isn’t dead yet in America.
Doesn’t anyone teach Logic or Coherant Debate Tactics anymore?????
well pussy(cats) ARE carnivores.
and if jaime and friends don’t wanna eat meat – ok by me that just means more meat for me. mmmmmm I’m having pork chops for dinner tonite.
p.s. cholesterol is NOT the problem. high triglycerides are.
lol MC Mom, what did you do?
“…which a quick search on facebook proves that you are not”
That was creepy. And also, damn, you got time on your hands, jaime. Whatever happened to “I’m not gonna come back”?
P.S. I like the Anonymous Minnow – intriguing. And mysterious…enigmatic, even.
Oh, I’m sorry, you actually wanted an answer to your inane and unscientific assumption that all meat eaters (regardless of species differentiation mind you) would have the same reactions. See, the reason it helped US so much was because we made the switch from a previously plant-based diet (just like modern day monkeys) to a meat based diet. Sharks have been around for millions of years and have always been predators.
See, and despite your Earth-spirit mumbo jumbo (see, I can make snarky little assumptions too! Yay!) about all species being equal, biology 101 proves we’re not. You can’t compare a shark and a snake to a human being. Mainly because we have more factors than just our diet to thank for our ability to develop large brain pans. Being warm blooded sure helps for a start, which your examples certainly aren’t.
Their bodies are also too cartilaginous for a complex central nervous system to develop around. However, in both cases, their central nervous system, especially when it comes to their senses, is far more advanced than similar creatures that are herbivores (AKA their prey). But if you wanna keep playing this game with me, have at it kiddo, cause right now you’re batting 1000 on making yourself look completely uneducated (beyond propaganda) on this topic.
Do tell.
Well darn. I guess I’ll just have to settle on being the only Minnow NOT on Facebook.
Let me check…
Yeah, I can live with that.
Jaime, thank you for backing up my previous post.
Regards,
A Cunt
Lara, don’t worry about it at all.
And I think that this topic alone proves that both sides of the fence have an equal amount of extremist douchebags. Reading through the comments and all the (again: contradicting) information, I can’t really help but relate it to the whole Christianity vs. Atheism arguments. Each side is filed with smug assholes thinking they’re “more right” than the other, and no debate is ever settled.
So what the hell: drop it. Vegans need to stop being dicks and pushing their lifestyle choices on the other, and vice-versa (because yes, it’s possible for meat eaters and non-vegans to do this, too).
Chill everyone.
I don’t think any of us are trying to convince anyone they have to eat meat… simply that their arguments are illogical. I don’t care if you only eat dandylions and pinecones, but don’t tell me what not to do when there’s no proof. And while debates might not be settled, that doesn’t mean that one side isn’t right.
Per Jaime “not to mention devouring pretty much every part of the animal. have you ever seen a cat catch a bird and eat it? i have, and the cat and the whole bird, including feathers and bones”
Actually we CAN eat most of the animal and many cultures do. In my Iwoan family the only part of the pig that didn’t get used was the oink. Indeed the indigenous people of the arctic circle will eat nearly an entire seal raw. (the parts not eaten are kept for utilitarian purposes – like skins for clothing). Anthony Bourdain did a great episode of this in Good Eats – it’s kind of like Halloween meets Thanksgiving.
Many in Western culture are too squeamish to eat some things like tripe (stomach lining) eyeballs, brains, trotters and snouts (the last two are frequently pickled), but they’re still edible. Intestines are less frequently used nowadays as nature’s perfect sausage casing, but they’re perfectly edible. One of the major sources of nutrition for the Masai is blood drawn (carefully) from their herds of cattle.
Most major cuisines have cherished recipes for dealing with the unpleasant bits of the animal (steak and kidney pie, rocky mountain oysters, blood pudding, haggis, scrambled eggs and brains, hog’s head cheese, etc). Even bones are edible, they can be boiled down for stock, ground into bone meal, and scraped for the protein rich marrow out of larger bones (edible when raw but tastier when roasted).
Raw meat is perfectly edible (tartare, carpaccio, ceviche . . ). Hell, I eat my steak “Pittsburgh style” (seared a perfect quarter inch around, blue in the middle). The nasties that get cooked away in meat are introduced because of mass-processing, not inherent in the meat itself. The only time I’ve ever gotten sick from a meal (despite my savage preference for nearly raw meat) was the result of some cross-contaminated veggies.
And btw, while cats do eat the feathers, they don’t *digest* the feathers. The feathers come out the other end.
Eat whatever you like luvvy, but the fact is humans *can* eat nearly everything in an animal. And they can eat it raw. Just because you don’t find it in the grocery store doesn’t mean it can’t be eaten.
Correction to my previous post: Anthony Bourdain’s show is “No Reservations”
“Good Eats” stars Alton Brown
Hey Facebook is a damn fine idea. Just look for Pastafarian Jones! C’mon be my friend!
What? Like you got something better to do?
I wish your mother had been, because you’re an utter asshole. And you’re really not even interesting about it, which is a shame.
While I’m up: It would help if you knew how to begin sentences with capital letters. You really can’t afford to be LESS coherent.
And it totally shows.
“gosh, i really thought i was too old and mature for this stuff, but you guys have totally proven me wrong!”
““in my line of work blahblahblah” get over yourself” “bleepbopbloop” “I LOVE SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS!” “you must already feel pretty emasculated being “mr. mom” and all. a writer? that’s code for “unemployed”” “you could find a big pile of dog shit on the floor and stick it in your mouth” “you all should read some eckhart tolle or wayne dyer or whoever oprah is pushing this month for some self-realization so you can stop being so defensive” “have fun with your heart disease and colon cancer and dealing with shitty US health care, suckassssss”
Old and mature, indeed.
“someone asked what the health benefits were and i responded with what i knew, and all you antisocial losers jumped all over it squealing “PROPAGANDA!” like i’m some idiot PETA rep trying to get you to all “go VEG”, just like ALL OTHER MEAT EATERS do when they find out i’m vegan. so predictable”
Actually, most people would be upset when you say what you know when most of it is completely false, half truths, or otherwise misleading. Even if you only gave that because it’s the only thing you know, it’s still propaganda. It’s just that if you’ve somehow managed only to learn that which you’ve included, the propaganda probably isn’t coming directly from you, but rather is being delivered through you.
Oh, this must be one of those Internet “fights to the death” we’ve heard about. Yes, proper usage of the language would help you, and you really should avail yourself of SOME help, because thus far your sole weapon is being a persistent and sophomoric dicksmack.
You need to get bent, which is probably where your above-mentioned grandmother comes in, and then you need to go away. No doubt there’s something you need to be foraging right about now. As for being “so, so witty”, your own batting average isn’t quite up to Deceiver standards. No. No, really–IT ISN’T.
Bye.
Jeez, you guys, I asked a simple question and logged off for a day and look what happened. Apparently there are some people in the class who can’t play nice and share their toys.
(By the way, I wasn’t asking about the vegan lifestyle because I’m considering becoming one – forget the burgers, I can’t live without my dairy products – but just for edification. And I got some – from some folks, anyway. Thanks!)
Did someone take down the post everyone was quoting from? I’m kinda confused. But I can see that we had a little case-in-point here regarding the vegan attitude. I’ve personally never met one that wasn’t a desperate, self-righteous, malnourished, illogical twit. Many years ago I got in a fight with a girl at my work who got all moral on me and refused to eat a dessert I had brought in because “it contained honey.” From that point on it was well-known that I had declared war on all vegans. Imagine my delight when I found out that urbandictionary.com defines my name (Megan) as: “The exact opposite of a vegan.”
How’s this for a fun theory? – Vegans are the cause of global warming.
Cow farts produce more damaging gases than anything man-made; so by refusing to eat them, vegans are allowing them to live longer and pollute more. Also, plants are responsible for taking all that “harmful” carbon dioxide and turning it into good oxygen, but vegans are killing those plants for food and clothing! Etc…
Awwww, why did you guys remove the insult-filled tirade before I could get on today to read it? I care so much what jamie there thinks of me that I think I’m gonna cry.
““you must already feel pretty emasculated being “mr. mom” and all. a writer? that’s code for “unemployed””
Honey, the reason I can afford to stay at home with my daughter is because I have six years of combat pay saved up after my stint in the USMC, so that helps a little with the emasculation. It is nice to see that the same type of liberals who bitch about deadbeat dads also make fun of the ones who actually raise their children though.
Oh, and writer isn’t code for unemployed, it’s code for people who actually use capital letters at the beginning of their sentences.
Scott – you epically win for every post you’ve made on this thread. I can barely contain the love.
I wasn’t the one to delete that epic comment but I will say it deserved to be poofed. Our TOS says we will “sift out spam, obscenities, and harassment,” and that certainly qualified.
Oh, Jaime, you said you’d leave, but I see you just couldn’t stay away. You just had to see what people were saying about you! You’re a vegan – you crave attention and validation – we understand.
The global warming thing was a joke, which I’m hoping everyone got. Had I known you would be coming back to check, I would have made that clearer; since we can’t expect someone who thinks harvesting honey is the same thing as stealing to be able to tell the difference between serious things and jokes. Here’s a new question for you for when you get back and check this thread, because we all know you will: if all those cows only exist because we artificially inseminated them to create a huge population for the sole purpose of consumption, then how do you explain India where hundreds of millions of cows wander around while people starve to death?
I will agree with you on two things, though. One, I wish they had left your stupid post up longer so that I could have read it. Two, I do hope someone says something about you getting eaten by a bear. A vegan being eaten by an animal, now THAT’S funny. Maybe you DO have a sense of humor.
Oh, and don’t you dare insult Scott. You are obviously only used to chat confrontations, where you can brag about how you “totally owned” someone in a poorly-typed comment; but if you were ever in a situation that called for the real-life kind of courage, brains, and guts that our man Scott has, you would be peeing carrot juice all the way back to your organic hovel. Show a little more respect when a hero talks to you.
TrojanPrincess – Thanks so much for the assist and your kind words. Don’t worry about it too much, if we all spent our days worrying what morons on the internet think about us, we wouldn’t get much else done.
Seriously, I got a little choked up at the end there. Please though, while I appreciate your respect in ways I can’t express, I generally ask people not to use the ‘H word’ when it comes to me. The men who’s wives got a flag instead of their husbands back – they’re heroes.
Wow. And I thought the Democrat/Republican debates got heated.
Here’s my little contribution: is dairy racist? The only ethnic group to be lactose tolerant on a large scale is the Northern Europeans (thank you, ancestors!). You know there has to be someone out there who thinks milk is bigoted.
A nice juicy steak for the first person who finds a crackpot who espouses that point of view.
As for cholesterol: my sister has a friend who is about 30, runs marathons, is slender and has been on cholesterol meds for a few years. Her family has such bad cholesterol that even cutting animal products from her diet has not lowered her levels significantly. Genes can really screw you over.
Well I don’t know if I was being obscene or my computer was being stupid so let me (re)iterate a thought for jaime from the other day-if she’s (or he’s) listening: Cows do not nurse their calves for two years. Only weird humans nurse their offspring to ridiculous lengths-like eight years old.
And to put things in perspective I’m pretty sure more people have died
at Great White concerts than from drinking milk.
AllyKat–IIRC, something like 90% of Asians are lactose-intolerant. But I’d have to run that data to ground and choke it to death to be sure.
I wonder how Asian is defined, Beige.
Seems that I recall the Mongols and the entire Steppe region were strictly a milk and meatballs sort of family.
Then again, if they were milk based AND lactose intollerant, that might explain all that angry hunning and hording.
I should have specified Han Chinese, Minnow. Sorry.
I wonder if lactose tolerance is a function of how much milk has been used in various local diets over the past few thousand years? There may be some research on this somewhere, but I’m too lazy to look for it.
Pinandpuller, as a New Englander I’m absolutely sure more people have died at Great White concerts than from drinking milk. My husband is mildly lactose intolerant but it only runs to sniffles and gas, not death.
Scott, I won’t use the ‘h-word’ at your request but you are definitely a real man – no emasculation BS from me. Thanks for your service, both in the military and at home with your daughter.
Happy Independence Day, all my U.S. compatriots! I heard the Declaration read out loud on the radio this morning and it reminded me of why I’m proud to be an American.
Let me add, Scott F., that I have nothing but respect for you as well–not only for your service, which would be more than enough, but for the intelligence you display here. And also for the fact that you understand how to capitalize the first letter of a sentence.
If you type the phrase “milk is racist” into Google, you get 157,000 hits. According to one, in 1998, PETA claimed choosing milk as a state beverage is racist, since many minorities are lactose-intolerant. Do you think we can get rid of PETA if enough people claim to PETA-intolerant?
Apparently, Northern Europeans are more lactose-tolerant because they consumed more dairy year round for thousands of years (since plant-based foods were limited in the winter). In more tropical/semi-tropical climates, food could be grown for longer periods, if not year round, so people didn’t need to rely on dairy products as much. Northern Europeans who continued to produce lactase (the enzyme that breaks down lactose) into adulthood were more likely to survive. People in warmer climes were less reliant on lactase, so the ability to produce it didn’t give them an advantage. Science lesson for the day!
Beige
Does e.e. cummings get a pass?
I’m sorry I missed Jaime’s tirade, after seeing bits of it in Hmmm…’s post. I wonder if Jaime has ever held up a placard.
Ole’ e.e. used capitalization, just not necessarily at the beginning of his sentences. My favorite:
suppose
Life is an old man carrying flowers on his head.
young death sits in a café
smiling, a piece of money held between
his thumb and first finger
(i say “will he buy flowers” to you
and “Death is young
life wears velour trousers
life totters, life has a beard” i
say to you who are silent.—“Do you see
Life? he is there and here,
or that, or this
or nothing or an old man 3 thirds
asleep, on his head
flowers, always crying
to nobody something about les
roses les bluets
yes,
will He buy?
Les belles bottes—oh hear
, pas cheres)”
and my love slowly answered I think so. But
I think I see someone else
there is a lady, whose name is Afterwards
she is sitting beside young death, is slender;
like flowers.
Cummings gets a pass because he had talent, and a way with words, and presumably did NOT belong to PETA.
Beige, my understanding is that E.E. was a red-blooded, meat-eating guy who enjoyed most of the sensual pleasures of life, as his poetry often makes clear.
But…but that makes him a #$%!.
Umm…my brother says im the worst vegan evr cuz i dnt annoy ppl and bug them with my “reasoning”. It’s hardly likely that any1 is gna change their mind say…wen u call a meat-eater an evil ignorant asshole or wen u try to prove that vegans/vegetarians are lacking something in their diet. It doesn’t help with the conversion process…so that defeats the point of arguing and making bitch comments dont u think?