Hey, guess what? Protesters against ObamaCare are a bunch of crazy right-wing nutjobs who keep bringing the Nazis into it!
The other day Nancy Pelosi said they’re a pack of astroturfing cranks because they’re holding up swastikas. Which was then “confirmed” when somebody dug up a picture of one protester in Colorado holding up a small handmade sign with a swastika… inside a red circle with a line through it. Okay, so maybe the protesters are against Nazis instead of being Nazis themselves, if you can even extrapolate that from a single person holding what looks like a piece of typing paper. But it’s still wrong to insinuate that your opponents are like the Nazis. Correct?
Then yesterday, Obama spokesman Bill Burton said this. (Note: Despite appearances, this is not a 10th-grader they took from a White House tour and pushed in front of the camera.)
Okay, so maybe he’s telling tall tales, since people aren’t really dressing up like Hitler. But if they were, that would be wrong, wouldn’t it? Demonizing your opponent is no way to have a constructive debate. Why, it makes you an “evil-monger”!
Ahem.
Al Gore today compared the battle against climate change with the struggle against the Nazis…
Speaking in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by The Times, Mr Gore said: “Winston Churchill aroused this nation in heroic fashion to save civilisation in World War II.”
He added: “We have everything we need except political will but political will is a renewable resource.”
Wait, so if I’m not buying what you’re selling, I’m destroying civilization just like the Nazis did? Sieg what?
Look, kids, all you have to do is go to Google Images and type in Bush + Hitler to see that this sudden burst of moral indignation against lawful, First Amendment-protected speech is completely phony. Over the last 9 years, more people have compared Bush to Hitler than Hitler to Hitler. It was dumb to do that to the president then, and it’s dumb to do it now, but please spare us the manufactured outrage.
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Anytime a liberal is faced with an idea or opinion that does not agree with theirs and for which they have no counter argument they call the other person or group nazis or racists. That is a dialogue in their book.
There’s two types of people in this world, those who classify people and NAZIs!
And the Democratic Party’s implosion continues.
“In Soviet Amerika, Government protests you!”
Note to Bill Burton:
Retired old white guys wearing khaki dockers and sportin’ walrus ’staches does not equal the Fourth Reich.
Unless you turn down the volume on Murder She Wrote…
I bet the MSM just keeled over in shock when, gasp!, the huddled masses actually have a different opinion than them.
TheIrish for the win. That was AWESOME.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/11/seiu-calls-civil-discourse-prior-alleged-beating-town-hall/
Agreed, Beige.
TheIrish gets my internets love for the next…until something shiny catches my attention.
So enjoy it!
So because WE aren’t goosestepping along with the Way Left Dems WE are the Nazis???????
Koka, stop being a Nazi.
Wow it’s Godwin’s Law! The longer the conversation goes on, the more likely it is that someone will refer to Nazis or Hitler. I thought that was a joke but gosh, that man must be a genius.
Didn’t you know? Anyone who disagrees with the chosen one and his followers are Nazi’s and should be beaten before we get out of control and express, or try to express our opinion. *There shall be no opinion other than the one provided for you.
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” – Thomas Jefferson
There was an op-ed article in today’s Chattanooga paper about free speech. It basically said that we are under the impression that we have it, but that we can only say what the present guvmint will let us say.
Somebody needs to tell those politicians that they are NO LONGER living in an ivory tower, might as well be us. People are mad as hell and aren’t going to take it any more.
The “yes we can” people need to hear from the ” oh hell NO” people more often.
Maybe yes we can, but I dun wanna.
And I deserve that freedom of choice.
Can’t we just go ahead and crown this whole administration and democratic senators and congressmen deceivers of the year and be done with it? Cause I am tired of being told to do one thing and having them look the other way while they do it. Photo ID or no Photo ID? I am a bitter person clinging to her gun and religion while being called a racist for not drinking the koolaid.
I am tired of the broken promises, back tracking, double talking. And people thought Bush was bad? At least he followed through with nailing the Taliban to the wall.
You know, Godwin’s law notwithstanding, I don’t really think the liberals here want to start throwing around the term “Nazi”. Because in the case of their Dear Leader, we’ve got a lot more to work with than they do. There are comparisons not only between B. Ho’s circumstances and those of Hitler, but comparisons also to be made between the means and methods of rising to power, in both cases.
I also find it funny that Hitler’s the very worst person liberals can think of, when compared to Mao and Stalin, Hitler was pretty much an Eagle Scout. Yeah, he was slimy and perverse and evil–no doubt about it. But when all was said and done, old boy only got the bronze medal in the Genocide Olympics.
Right on Beige. And if any of them bothered to look at the political spectrum they would see those three you mentioned are all left of centre.
Yeah, that whole socialism thing sort of slips right under the radar, when it comes to Old Brazilian-Face.
Interesting…The TOBACCO SMOKE ENEMA (1750s to 1810s) was used to infuse tobacco smoke into the anus of a drowning victim, primarily for the purpose of resuscitation. The thought was that the WARMTH of the smoke would promote respiration. Thus led to …the popular phrase “Blowing Smoke Up One’s A$$.” It seems this ENEMA has been REINTRODUCED by the Washington Administration. Do you feel it yet?
It’s because Hitler lacked sex appeal.
Unlike Che’…
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjI0N2E5ZjM0MGU0ZWVkZTdmYTBjNDQ4YTM4YTgzODA=
Also Minnow, Hitler isn’t on nearly as many wannabe indie t-shirts.
Hoo boy, that Che Guevara was some hottie, huh? What with the smelling like feet, and the greasiness, and the ferociously dirty hair that serious political thought inevitably seems to cause.
ROWRR.
Beige – you’re saying Hitler was the Jeremy Piven of his day?
Or rather, Che was the Jeremy Piven of his day.
Note to self: load time machine with tuna fish.
Umm…I think the person with the Nazi with a “banned” symbol in front was calling the Democrats “Nazis.” Last I knew, it was the right who tended to wave flags and opposed public health care, and I see both of the above around the Nazi symbol with a “banned” symbol in front.
Usually it’s the lefties who boil over, as the right-wingers tend to have the calm of people who know they’ll get their way no matter what.
when liberals compared bush to hitler it was when they were protesting against a war based on lies…
when idiots are comparing obama to hitler it is because rush limbaugh does, based on lies and hatred that has nothing to do with war…mostly it’s racism disguised as panic over health reform…
neither is sane, but there is a huge difference…goes beyond democrat and republican at this point…it’s just the very wealthy using the dumb to spread the hate…
Don – NAZI is an abbreviation in German for National SOCIALIST Workers Party. Funny how people always forget the Socialist part. Oh, and they had a national health care system – they used it to kill off or sterilize the infirm, mentally retarded, gays, and other ‘undesirables’. Just like the Soviets did. Funny how people always forget that part too.
Anon – “when idiots are comparing obama to hitler it is because rush limbaugh does, based on lies and hatred that has nothing to do with war…mostly it’s racism disguised as panic over health reform…”
Seriously, it’s physically painful how ironic that statement is. They were protesting the war, not because they hated Bush… well, that explains why we still see them protesting our continued roll in Iraq despite the new administration right? Wait, they’re not?
Oh, and bro, I’m against ‘health care reform’ and have spoken out quite openly against it. I’m still waiting on my check from the insurance companies, think you can help me out with that?
When liberals compared Bush to Hitler, it was liberals slinging around the Nazi comparisons; that’s why you thought it was fine, anon, and that’s pretty much the only reason. Most liberals didn’t need a reason to sling mud at Bush. Now that your Anointed One is in the Oval Office, you drag out the race card–which, frankly, is pretty worn out by now–to throw at anyone who blasphemes against him. Plain and simple. That’s the one thing that IS transparent with this administration: Its nasty little tactics.
Scott: The NAZI party had both leftist and rightist branches when they were struggling. When they grew strong enough (BEFORE they took power), they purged the leftists…quite violently, if I remember right. After that, the NAZIs had a very nationalistic, exclusionary viewpoint…very much right-wing viewpoints, or at least historically (the “socialist” in NASDAP became a legacy term).
My point was, and is, this: That wasn’t no leftist holding onto the NAZI placard; that was a right winger aiming the swastika at those she hated (i.e. lefties like me). And last I checked, the NAZI card as understood today has no left or right…just the smell of a loser’s desperation. Obama’s fatal crumbling on the health care issue (no public health option = insurance companies get what they want and more) now appears to change things.
(Mostly just reiterating Beige)
Obama’s “fatal crumbling?” Teh evul medikal ppls win? What about his desperate attempts to shove a bill through before anyone can even read it? And as has been pointed out many times before, this isn’t the first time someone has waved a Nazi sign around (see also: http://christopherfountain.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/bush_nazi_hitler.jpg ). THAT the part with which the people here take issue. NOW waving the Nazi card is bad wrong wrong bad (50 pts for picking up on reference), whereas before, things like that photo
Or this one: http://iacmusic.com/Uploads/11981_2_2_2008_10_33_15_PM_-_BushNAZI.jpg
Or this one: http://paxcosmico.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/nazi20bush.jpg
Or this one: http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2003/03/m22nz1.jpgmid.jpg
(ad nauseum) were accepted as free speech and political criticism. WITHOUT any mention of the outrage expressed when the tables are turned, and WITHOUT playingthe race card.
If we’re pressured to agree with someone because of his/her race, how is a racist viewpoint NOT being perpetuated? That’s the thing – if you really don’t want race to be an issue, shut up and stop throwing the race card around like the ace of diamonds. And while you’re at it, stop criticizing people for exercising the first amendment…just as you did when Bush was in office.
And as I stated previously, I’m not even a freakin’ Republican, so don’t go telling me about “my party” and its evil crazy views. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go hug a gun, kick a tree, and abort a fetus.
I think all sides, be they right, left or center are capable of exclusionary thought. Also, most people might want to see some changes to the health care system, but very few seem to want the changes that are in the various bills floating around the Hill. Spector can go on about how town hall participants don’t represent the views of most Americans, but most polls I have read indicate a distinct lack of enthusiasm for the current reform plans. The only people who I have heard express enthusiasm and support for said plans are the authors and politicians who have a stake in getting “something” passed.
Reality check: The only reason this is getting pushed the way it is is that next year is an election year. No controversial legislation gets passed in an election year if Congress can help it. If they put off health care until 2011, Obama and the Dems look like they aren’t efficient or serious about their promises. Really, anyone who campaigned on a platform of reforming health care is going to vote for a plan regardless of if it is a good plan or a bad plan, because “doing something” is easier to spin than inaction. This sucks for us, because government programs never die, they just expand.
How about the insurance companies. Mandatory coverage minus “public option” equals dictatorial powers given to the medical insurance companies. Right now we’d be better off the way it is now.
And I said nothing about racism. Just commenting on my observation that referring to the opposition as Nazis has always been the sign of losers (at least before the health debate). It’s free speech, but usually the free speech of the losing side…notice that the left stopped wholesale use of Nazi references when the Dems took over congress in 2006.
Yeah, and giving the government “dictatorial powers” would be SO much better. Because if there’s anyone who can pull off quality work at budget prices, it’s the Feds. Maybe in a parallel universe, where Kirk has a beard and Spock cries a lot, but NOT HERE.
I haven’t seen a single good explanation for why, if this proposed health-care utopia is bursting at the seams with ripe strawberries and fluffy bunnies, the people pushing it on us like a fratboy with a hard-on aren’t going to use it themselves.
That obvious creation of a “for thee, not for me” system serves as evidence that we’re being handed week-old leftovers with extra parsley to disguise the fact that it’s stale. It’s very similar to the way in which socialist–and Nazi–party members get/got the best of everything, while the people they purported to serve and represent had to scramble for the dregs.